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I think I’d rather have libs arming up with us than not. Late to the party but fuck it, we need bodies
Who are the libs in this case?
Every day I come to this website, I see a post expecting me to dunk on the subject and I’m left completely baffled as to which direction you all will go
Reminds me of the awful takes here during blm
The libs are the people who oppose ice but also have a natural inclination to peaceful non-violent civil disobedience. I don’t think anyone’s expecting you to dunk on this lady, just to see that a self-described “progressive” that’s “part of the blue wave” is waking up to the reality of armed Marxist self defense
This is a liberal website.
pantone's post doesn't seem to be expecting us to dunk so I'm confused. OP doesn't really seem to be either, I got the same vibe SickSemper did
To encourage a more neutral discussion I might say something bland or I simply quote the post. People can react strongly to the title and argue about that instead of the post itself. Also in this case - I don't know what to think. Bluesky libs are surprising me with their anger and stream-of-consciousness apparent willingness to move to the left. I think they are honestly saying what's on their mind but that doesn't mean they'll actually change. Talk is cheap and change - real change in particular - is hard. And we all know how much libs are addicted to voting as their non-solution to everything.
I also xposted it in c/guns to see what they had to say.
Sounds to me like they're in a great spot to educate and drag to a DSA meeting or whatever is nearby left of Dems.
Yeah, I didn’t read the OP as dunking on anyone. Personally I’m happy to see liberals coming to terms with the need for community defense.
I wasn’t on the website during 2020 so idk how it was then, but I’m happy to give kudos to libs when they reach the correct conclusion once in a while
There is often no distinction made between committed active liberals, and those who just passively
for them. The former all need to be put before people's tribunals (in the kindest scenario), but a portion of the latter are unrealized socialists who will need to be courted and educated at some point.
Yea i mean other than expecting bla k people to do the work for them this is the exact right sentiment. They just need to do some reading and find a local org rather than trying to start a big brothers big sisters program for liberals.
I agree, only thing that left a bad taste for me was the expectation of being brought a rep from the BPP to act as a Sherpa.
We’ll get there
I think the idea of asking for mentorship is coming from a good place, white liberal activists have pushed Black radicals to the sides in the past plenty, I think the libs are trying to learn from the mistakes of their past and "center Black voices" as they were taught by BLM in 2020. I'm just glad they are asking for the Panthers and not for help to do more sit-ins and marches anymore.
100% agree with you. We’re seeing clear growth from folks we wouldn’t have been able to rely on 10 years ago