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Renee Good still had a pulse 8 minutes after she was shot by an ICE agent. And yet the offer to administer aid from a physician on the scene, following his Hippocratic Oath, was denied. (cdn.social.linux.pizza)

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just a reminder of what justice & accountability would look like not under a fascist oligarch:

Everyone from ICE who was at the shooting and restricted paramedic access should have been in custody the same day
Their supervisors responsible for training and oversight and organizational leadership from direct commanders up to the head of DHS should have quit or been fired within the first week
New DHS organizational leadership should turn over all evidence to MN and shut down ICE and restructure for assisting immigrants instead of oppressing and abusing them, or dissolve DHS all together

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even if there wasn’t a doctor on scene, is law enforcement not given basic emergency medical training for when they arrive on scene before EMTs?

Not one of those ICE officers even attempted to help.

Fuck ICE.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

They are and providing first aid until a medical professional is able to call it is one of the factors that help establish murder rather than justified use of force.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago

The ice paramilitary is given 47 days of training.

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 121 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So it was initially attempted murder, then by denying her aid, full on murder.

Also remember what the pigs said, Jonathan Ross of Minnesota said "fucking bitch" after he shot her. And another said "I don't care" when asked by the medical person to go to her aid.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

More second if not first degree murder, then felony murder, accessory after the fact, etc for everyone stopping medical care.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

First degree. He baited the situation, and shot while he was completely clear of possible harm. First degree murder.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago

First degree because they were ordered to shoot a vehicle blocker, make an example, and send a message.

Who gave the order, and how high does it go?

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 17 points 2 days ago

First degree.

[–] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But if he really didn't care, he would have let the doctor render aid. So it seems like he really did care. A lot

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Didn't care to help, but cared more than enough to make sure she died.

[–] itistime@infosec.pub 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is time to truly act against the oligarchs, their true masters. Bring pain to where they sleep, pray, dine and leisure

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's NOT illegal to say "with a mortar launcher" because it's most definitely an incomplete sentence that definitely had absolutely nothing to do with the President. Nope. Definitely not the President. No one at all.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think the people that work for the govt that monitor threats online are likely completely overwhelmed.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Why would they be? There's nothing going on in the US and the president is a 'swell guy who everyone loves bigly. Everyone says it. Best president, so great. Biggest nucular weapons and peace.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 170 points 2 days ago (2 children)

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago

Fuck. Sometimes a good one hits you really hard you know?

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (20 children)

The cruelty is the point.

This is partly why I hate Obama so much. He had so many opportunities to reform this (Ferguson sticks out the most) and instead he doubled down on militarized police.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

Democrats are controlled opposition. It's classic good cop / bad cop shit.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Obama bombed civilian targets. Don't let the current crap create the illusion that before Trump all presidents were peaceful rainbow good guys.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

LMAO, trump has built a gestapo, is terrorizing and murdering people, and is now trying to take over large parts of the world, Hitler style, and you're talking about Obama? Fucking hell.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Not very big on history I see. Go look up who first appointed Tom Homan.

Thank you for making that clear in your first reply, and have a nice evening.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You realize that trump was impeached twice by the dems and the republicans wouldn't let that happen? There are so many things to focus on right now, Obama isn't one of them.

You also have a nice evening.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

We expect the republicans to build fascism. We don't expect the only opposition to fascism at the federal level to maintain and expand those same institutions.

The dems expect us to vote for them, but fund Trump's gestapo at every opportunity.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I imagine that the family could sue over that, but is that something a doctor can sue over?

[–] Abundance114@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A doctor has no legal obligation or mandate to treat people; they have an obligation to not harm the patients they are treating.

I'd love to see a timeline of the shooting until medical arrived, it's probably jacked up but I don't think immediately allowing anyone onto the scene is correct either.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Law enforcement officers have a legal obligation to render aid, which may include allowing a physician to treat an injured person at the scene of a shooting.

[–] Abundance114@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

Law enforcement officers have a legal obligation to render aid

Even if we accept that point, which is debatable, they have higher priorities. They don't have an officer involved shooting and then the second bullets stop flying everyone just goes into first aid mode.

Securing the scene is a higher priority, even firefighters and EMTs aren't allowed on scene until the scene is secured, so why should some random person who claims to be a doctor? Furthermore the police suddenly become liable for the safety of the individual rendering aid if they allow them on scene.

This entire situation is exasperated by the presence of a hostile crowd, just like the George Floyd situation; had the police not been constantly threatened by an aggressive crowd they could have focused much more on the suspect that required aid.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Real state of US health care.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but you see he could have been pretending, and caused more harm than...checks notes...being shot in the face.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This isn’t that shocking if you’ve watched a lot of police videos in the USA. It seems to me they put themselves first and everything else comes second. I’ve seen countless videos where they have shot someone and it takes so long to get medical help.

Here in the Uk i don’t see that. We put people first. If you’re guilty of a heinous crime you still have a right to life and a trial. The cops are not here to execute you.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago (9 children)

They famously don't even have guns here most of the time.
Which is fine, because no-one else has guns either.

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[–] Feedback17@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Republicans celebrate and cheer this wildly. Why do they want other Americans killed?

[–] Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because they've wholly bought into the idea that it's not "Americans" that are dying, it's "The Enemy" that is. That they wouldn't have died if they didn't do something to "deserve" it.

It's just like the Myth of Meritocracy. If you got it then you deserved it, the proof that you deserved it is that you got it.

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[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

With a mortar launcher

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

They would have done a “double tap” drone strike on her and the physician if they could

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