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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 18 hours ago

Language classes in school are horrible. You're going for an hour a day for 180 days, with significant gaps every few months, and moving at the rate of the slowest learners in the class.

500 hours of constant, immersive study would likely get you most of the way there, which is not the same as being immersed for 500 hours without study :)

I thought I was doing well with Duolingo once, then realized, 40 hours in, that I had almost no concept of formal/informal, and barely had any verb conjugation or grammar.

[–] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Je ne parle pas Francais.

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 21 hours ago

Ohh, mais non! Je parle le fracais trés bien. Je peut achetee une Pizza avec pas de probleme.

(I'm so sorry, please excuse me my french friends, I had shit teachers on a shit school with shit classmates)

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 21 hours ago

If your main language is English you probably can't. There's just little need since everything is so English-centric that almost everyone else has to learn it as a necessity.

Larger countries like France and Germany can often get on without it as there's enough population to be worth dubbing and translating things to it, but go somewhere smaller like the Nordic countries, and you're basically stuffed without it.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I took German in school, then moved to Germany and gained (rudimentary) fluency, then moved back to the US and lost it after a couple decades of disuse.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago

"Mexican Americans....take Spanish in school...and get a B"

[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Between the ages of 7 and 14 i was taught five languages, at best i could say hello me name is u\manuallybreathing in a grand total of one

you'd amazed what you can teach yourself woth motivated self study as an adult though, don't fall for that 'your brain solidifies after 25', I've learnt a lot since i started again after the age of 30

only after meeting someone who'd done the same though, i really doubted myself

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

That "brain matures at 25" bs is a myth that was caused by a study in brain development losing funding when its subjects (that it follwed from birth) were 25.

Concluding brain development stops there is like assuming the road ends at any point where you have stopped following it.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 21 hours ago

They wouldn't let me take foreign language classes because my English grades weren't good enough. It wasn't that I was even bad. I just didn't do homework.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Speak for yourself: I built on learning 2 foreign languages in highschool to end up speaking 7 languages (granted, only about 5 at a level of easilly maintaining a conversation).

The more languages you learn and the more you use them, the easier it is to add more languages to the pile.

Also, at least for European languages, because they generally are related, learning a few helps with learning others: for example, my speaking Dutch helped me learn German and there are even weird effect like me being able to pick up words in Norwegian because they're similar to the same words in the other two or when somebody gave us an example of Welsh in a trip to Wales I actually figured out he was counting to 10, both because some numbers were similar to the same numbers in other languages plus there is a specific rythm in counting to 10.

As I see it, the more languages you know, the more "hooks" you have to pick stuff up in other languages plus you're probably training your brain to be better at learning new ones.

That said, you have to actually try and practice them: for example, most of my French language was learned in highschool, so when I went to France or even Quebec in Canada I tried to as much as possible speak French, which helps with retaining and even expanding it so my French Language skills are much better now than when I originally learned it in a school environment.

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[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I can speak English quite well.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I speak three languages. My native, one learned at school and another self taught.

In my experience, the inability to learn languages is mainly English speaking people problem.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's because of the "language tiers".

People don't usually learn languages for fun, at least not to a point where they can actually speak it fluently. They learn it because they have an use for it. If you learn a language without having an use for it, you lose it quite quickly.

The highest tier language is the worldwide lingua franca: English. You learn English to talk to anyone, not to talk to English native speakers. For example, my company (a central European one) uses English as the work language. We don't have a single English native speaker on the team. But if I want to talk to a colleague from Rumania, Egypt, Spain or the Netherlands I will talk English with them.

The next tier is the regional lingua franca. That's e.g. Spanish, French, German, Mandarin, Russian or Arabic (and likely a few others, I don't know the whole world). These languages are spoken in certain regions and can be used to communicate with people from neighbouring countries. You can get around with e.g. German in Hungary, because most Hungarians learn German. It's also sometimes necessary since TV, books or other media might not be available in the local language. For example, a lot of Albanians speak Italian, because TV shows and movies are rarely translated into Albanian and instead broadcast in Italian. (Also, since Italy was so close, many people watched Italian TV while Albania had communism.)

The lowest tier are local languages. These are languages that are only spoken in their own country. For example: Rumanian, Serbian, Hungarian, Welsh, Gaelic, Dutch and so on. People speak these languages because they live in that country. For someone who doesn't live in that country, there's rarely any major benefit to learning these languages.

In general, people only really learn to speak languages that are on the same tier or higher.

If you live in Albania, you learn Albanian as a child, then probably add Italian to understand TV. In school you will learn English and once you go online you will use it. You might also learn Russian to be able to communicate with people in nearby countries and if you are from the muslim part of Albania you might also learn Arabic.

If you live in Germany, you'd just learn German and English. No need for any other languages. If you spend some significant time in France, Spain or Italy, you might pick up one of these languages.

If you live in the US or GB, you start with English, and there's hardly any point to learn anything else. By default you can already communicate with everyone, read everything on the internet and watch all TV shows and movies (pretty much everything is translated into English, if it isn't even refilmed in English). If you try to learn another language and try to use it with native speakers of said language, chances are pretty high they just switch over to English.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

That makes a lot of sense and is pretty much why I speak three languages.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

In my experience when I lived in Holland, compared to me my friends and colleagues from English-speaking countries had the additional problems in trying to learn Dutch that people would tend to switch to English when they heard them speak in Dutch (probably because they picked up from their accent that they were native English speakers) plus their own fallback when they had trouble expressing themselves or understanding others in Dutch was the "lowest energy" language of all - their native one.

Meanwhile me - being a native Portuguese speaker - suffered a lot less from the "Dutch people switching to English when faced with my crap Dutch language skills" early on problem (probably because from my accent they couldn't be sure that I actually spoke English and they themselves did not speak Portuguese) and my fallback language when my Dutch skills weren't sufficient was just a different foreign language.

So some of my British colleagues over there who had lived there for almost 20 years still spoke only barelly passable Dutch whilst I powered through in about 5 years from zero to the level of Dutch being maybe my second best foreign language, and it would've been faster if I didn't mostly work in English-speaking environments (the leap in progression when I actually ended up in a work environment were the working language was Dutch was amazing, though keeping up was a massive headache during the first 3 or 4 months).

That said, some other of my British colleagues did speak good Dutch, so really trying hard and persisting worked for them too (an interesting trick was when a Dutch person switched to English on you, just keeping on speaking in Dutch).

[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 62 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I took english in school, and I speak it all the time :3

[–] frog@feddit.uk 22 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Good job. English is a very hard language that barely uses logic.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 days ago (8 children)

All languages have their difficulties. English pronunciation and spelling is a mess but grammar is easy for example. My native language has 3 genders and 4 cases for example and there are languages with more.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 10 hours ago

Just have to memorize all these irregular verbs. It's so easy.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Speak for yourself. You're probably a native English speaker and have it easy.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Most people who take a language in school don't keep at it. We're just doing it because it's required, and to pass the class. I took French in high school. The only person I've ever met who spoke French fluently was my teacher. I really should have taken Spanish, but I wanted to be "different".

In Europe, also, because of the open borders, and being packed so close together, people encounter foreign languages far more frequently. It makes sense they'd all want to, and benefit from, knowing multiple languages. And, they'd have more opportunities to practice. Not many Japanese speak a second language, compared to Europeans, for instance.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I am from Portugal - which is a very peripheral region in Europe, bordering only Spain - but do speak several European languages, and one of my most interesting experiences in that sense you describe was in a train in Austria on my way to a ski resort, an intercity train (so, not even a long-distance "international" train) which was coming from a city in Germany on its way to a city in Switzerland just making its way up the Austrian-Alps valleys, and were I happened to sit across from two guys, one Austrian and one French, and we stroke up a conversation.

So it turns out the French guy was a surf promoter, who actually would often go to Ericeira in Portugal (were at a certain time in the year there are some of the largest tube waves in the World, so once it was "discovered" it became a bit of a Surf Meca) only he didnt spoke Portuguese, but he did spoke Spanish.

So what followed for a bit over an hour was a conversation floating from language to language, as we tended to go at it in French and Spanish but would switch to German to include the Austrian guy and if German wasn't enough (my German is only passable) we would switch to English since the Austrian guy also spoke it, and then at one point we found out we could both speak some Italian so we both switched to it for a bit, just because we could.

For me, who am from a very peripheral country in Europe, this was the single greatest "multicultural Europe" experience I ever had.

That said, I lived in other European countries than just my homeland and in my experience this kind of thing seems to be likely in places which are in the middle of Europe near a couple of borders and not at all in countries which only border one or two other countries.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

It has to be learned immersively. Also, in Canada, we take french in school, which works in France, but in Quebec they speak a slang they don't even understand, tabernac.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I am the world's shittiest polyglot. I lost a lot of my native language, turkish. I can get by. I speak english, but my accent is getting worse. I studied german in school for 5 years and forgot most of it. I live in the river plate, so the shitty amount of intermediate spanish I can speak has one of the worst accents for spanish, just behind tied first of caribbean and chilean. I can READ cyrillic, but not understand it, except few words whichever language has in common with languages I know. I can recognize some chinese glyphs, and understand some words.

I have no idea about any grammar words except the obvious ones (verb, noun) and get as much use of IPAs as I do IPAs (the pronunciation guide/the beer)

I have seen the vowel chart a billion times and still don't understand it.

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[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It is still very good brain exercise to learn new languages. It's a way of keeping your brain muscle in Shape. Just like math exercises and reading books.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I always immediately think Jack Sparrow is Russell Brand and recoil, then remember who it actually is and then recoil again because it’s crook blokes all the way down.

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[–] PKscope@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I've tried no less than 4 times to learn Spanish. High school, twice out of school, and then uni. It's just not getting through. I'm a communications graduate, so it's not like language isn't one of my strong points.... Just doesn't seem to carry over to any other language.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe unsolicited advice but I have gotten my Spanish to a decent level, and I'll paste a comment I made a year ago somewhere else below if you want to hear the method I used.

warning: longSo first, set your expectations. Learning a language takes a lot of time. A LOT. How long overall really depends on how much time per day you do it. But rest assured, if you do stick with it you are going to learn it. If you dedicated every waking hour, you could get to a high level in maybe half a year. But you'd have no life and would probably burn out. A more reasonable pace is 1.5-2 years. That sounds like a lot, but remember you don't have to be fully fluent for it to be useful and to make connections in the language. Even after a couple months, you'll be able to do a lot. And besides, two years is going to pass by anyway - the only question is do you want to be bilingual by the end of it?

I highly, super recommend checking out Dreaming Spanish - it's a channel/site that teaches Spanish through a method called comprehensible input. Basically, all you do is watch, listen, and read in Spanish totally in Spanish, no translations whatsoever. That sounds intimidating, but the beginner stages they really talk at you like you're a baby almost. They talk with their hands a lot and use drawings. That's the most important part, because in the beginning you won't be able to understand any Spanish or hardly any. But by making it so simple you can basically understand even though you don't know the words. After a hundred or so hours of this, you can move on to slightly less easy content. And so on and so on until you can understand just regular media in spanish. At that point, your learning will really take off, because you can watch things that you're actually interested in and that will capture your attention more.

They don't do any explicit grammar or vocabulary practice. That's on purpose, the arguments of comprehensible input is that language isn't learned, it's acquired. You didn't learn English by rote memorization, you listened a lot. If you can hear a few words and make the connection to the meaning by watching, and then you hear that word dozens or hundreds of times more - you will have a better understanding of that word than a simple translation flashcard could ever give you. Because words don't have just one meeting they're complex and change in different situations. But the best part is through this method you won't even realize that you're learning these words. Same goes with grammar, with this method things just kind of sound right. You can use the correct grammar, but you might not necessarily be able to explain why. Just like native speakers.

I've personally listened, or watched over a thousand hours of things in Spanish in a bit over a year. And at this point most media is almost as easy to watch as English for me. I also read the full Harry Potter series in Spanish. (It was rough at first, but after I got used to the writing style a lot of the times I'd forget it was in Spanish in the more exciting sections) I need to practice speaking more, I can definitely do it and be understood but it lacks pretty significantly behind my understanding but that is really just a question of how much practice I can get. But once you've banked 1k, 1.5k hours the rate at which your speaking will improve is way faster than the process of learning so far.

Check out this this playlist of videos that really explains things in more depth. It has English subtitles you'll have to turn on. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GrtxQ9yde-J2tfxJDvReNf

They have a ton of free content, and if you want more you can pay just $8 a month - but honestly if you do a few hours a day after a couple months you'll be able to just watch some YouTube videos of native speakers and you won't really need dreaming Spanish anymore. But the site does have a handy hour tracker that you don't need to pay for at all that I still use to this day.

I've tried to learn French, german, and even Spanish before but until this try when I discovered this method, I didn't really get anywhere. At this point I'm almost comfortable saying that I'm bilingual. And it really doesn't take that much effort just make it a routine, and once you can get into more advanced and interesting videos just watch things that you're interested in. When you really get good, you can just watch the TV shows and movies that you already like to watch, but put on the Spanish dub. It's that easy. I'm not doing anything differently now than I was before I knew Spanish but I'm learning every day because I just do the things I normally did but in spanish!

You can start their Super Beginner (most basic level) here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GbOHc3siOGQ5KmVSngZucl

But I'd recommend doing it on https://www.dreamingspanish.com/ where it will automatically track your watch time, let you filter by person/accent/level/topic, etc.

The beginning is by far the hardest part. The least interesting videos, the least level of comprehension. It will feel like a chore. Luckily the beginning is where you have the most motivation to push through it.

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[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I mean, I took Spanish and use it, but I'm New Mexican and work with Cubans elsewhere.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I had a co-worker who took a few semesters of Spanish in high school, she got all As, and then went on a class trip to Mexico. At first, she couldn't understand a thing, but she said as she listened and tried, "something snapped" and suddenly she got it.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I did but I had after-school classes because I sucked at taekwondo and football, lol. So I learned French and ended up moving to France, eventually becoming a national, and also learned English and ended up marrying a Brit. 🤷

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