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After their attempt in New York, I think they are trying to set up standing to bring a ban on abortion drugs to the SCOTUS.

Willful disregard for human life is the legal term I believe.

No, I reacted to the suggestion that Louisiana would send assassins to kill the doctor because in this thread we are discussing the actions of the state of Louisiana. Everyone is well aware that extremists kill abortion doctors due to right wing rhetoric.

I am convinced that polling is completely broken. There's no methodology that works anymore because scam callers have basically destroyed telephones as an information-gathering resource and online polling is very easily compromised.

SRPD responding to the call isn't going to know those are real cops, they will be responding to a home invasion call and discover that the invaders are cops when they are already there and then they will know that they are obligated to stop the crime even if sympathetic to the bad guy.

And the kidnapping might be successful, sure. But the risk for Cletus here is that SRPD isn't 100% on his side and he and his crew get arrested and take major felony charges. There is a reason this didn't happen in New York. Louisiana is weaponizing the law for two purposes: 1. to discourage doctors from providing health care to women. 2. And to establish standing so they can petition the Supreme Court to ban abortion drugs.

Why even bother with an indictment if you are just going to extra-judicially kill them anyway?

I did not say that nobody would attempt to target the doctor for violence. I said that the state of Louisiana would not send an assassin to murder the doctor, like in the employ of the state. If we are saying that the right-wing extremist propaganda machine can gin up violence against a perceived enemy then I agree with you.

Do y'all not know what an indictment is? Just supposing that the state of Louisiana would send vigilante assassins to another state to kill someone accused of a crime. Please take a check on reality here.

The same thing that stops any kidnapper. If your point is "people can do crimes in California" then, yes, people can do crimes in any state.

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Actually, you know what? Let's game this out, since I get the impression you have a somewhat naive view of how things actually work in the real world.

Here's what happens: Louisiana fails to extradite the doctor, so Louisiana State Trooper Cletus and his loyal, but not-too-bright cohorts decide they're gonna go to Cali and arrest them sumbitch.

The thing you have to understand is that the way policing works is mostly, mostly through enforcement of consequences by the state. If a cop tells you that you are under arrest you comply because the state will levy severe penalties on you if you don't.

So Cletus, et. al. show up in Santa Rosa and go to the doctor's office, because they know that's the safest place to arrest someone. They show up and are stopped at the front desk. The admin isn't going to give them access to the facility because they are not the California cops. The Santa Rosa PD gets called and, if the State Troopers are lucky they are told to get lost, if not they catch charges.

Ok, so that doesn't work, maybe Cletus and Co decide to go to the doctor's home. They bang on the door in the evening and demand he come with them because he is under arrest in the state of Louisiana. The doctor does not open the door and call the Santa Rosa PD who come and blah, blah blah. Maybe charges. If they are very, very stupid, they kick in the door and try to abduct the doctor, extraordinary rendition style. Maybe they get shot, maybe they get pepper sprayed, maybe the doc is a black belt and whoops their ass. In any case, now they are home invaders and SRPD shows up code 1 because the doctor or his spouse are on the phone with them already. This is serious felony time for Cletus and you can be sure the state will throw the biggest book they can find at him.

Of course, Cletus and his posse know the consequences for failing here are 10+ years in California penitentiary so they are simply not going to try. Thinking Lousiana cops are going to go to California to cart off some doctor for an indictment is fantasy. If a California judge rules against extradition, the doctor is perfectly safe as long as he stays there.

Louisiana police have no authority to do anything in California.

Qualified Immunity is a protection against civil suits. Committing crimes never falls under its protections. The current issue is that the Federal Government can use the Supremacy Clause to pull any criminal proceeding into Federal Court by making the argument that Ross was executing his duties as a federal agent, if successful the co-opted DoJ can just spike the case or Trump can pardon the crime.

The state has to prove to the court that apprehending a US Citizen is not within ICE's jurisdiction so the Supremacy Clause should not apply, this is a largely untested situation so we can probably guess how our current Supreme Court will rule on this.

It's supposed to be online tonight. Hosted overseas because Noem said she'd seek charges against anyone exposing her gang member's identities.