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Lacking in both aura, and, historical vibes. Kinda just looks like slop.
If anyone wants to read the Odyssey, I'd suggest the modern Emily Wilson translation. It attempts to be a more direct and faithful adaptation that maintains a similar rhythm as the original spoken poetry in greek.
More importantly imo she removes a lot of the Victorian brainworms prior English translations smuggled in, like calling slaves "servants" or calling Helen a "bitch" rather than the more correct "dog faced," which doesn't have the same gendered connotations as "bitch" does in English. Lattimore is still my favorite translator of.the epics, but Wilson's is really wonderful. Both her Iliad and Odyssey are worth reading.
Helen: 
wtf did u just call me
rather than the more correct "dog faced,"
Was biden doing a homeric reference when he called that one reporter a "Dog faced Pony soldier"
The Lattimore and Wilson translations are what I'd go for as well. The others are basically just victorian fanfics calling themselves translations.
It's great, the War Nerd Prose Iliad is great, and I'm a big fan of the Pope translation of both if you want something in a higher register. All such different vibes, all great.
The Nolan vibes are fucked though. Looks like a third rate spinoff of the Dune movies, but without decent art design and using leftover TDKR props.
I don’t even care about the Odyssey that much but I do think the Bronze Age was fucking fascinating. I know the classic canon of western civilization is overplayed, especially by a bunch of marble statue dipshits, but those boneheads think Fight Club is about starting a fight club. Fuck em. The Bronze Age shit slaps. Bunch of goat herders built a wall around a hill and some other group of dickheads with boats knocked it over. Then they tell some elaborate yarn about it for a thousand years. Hilarious stuff.
The lack of any kind of Sea Peoples sword and sandals epic is criminal.
The Aeneid would go so, so hard. The panicked flight from burning troy as the Mycenaean sea peoples burn it, an amazing voyage through a world in collapse, panicked refugees streaming into Carthage since the Phoenicians are the last remaining civ that hasn't closed borders. and at the end, hope in Apulia, and a promise of Rome.
The sequels write themselves as our heroes sail to another land and start brawls with the locals. They’re basically the Saiyans from Dragon Ball. Agamemnon was extremely Vegeta coded.
This is also one of my problems with the new dune adaptation, it's visually bland and colourless, when there was so much opportunity to use Islamic, bizanytine and tzarist architecture and clothing as a base for the desings, when the setting is clearly middle eastern/ Caucasus inspired.
There’s a problem in adapting Dune because the vibe of it is that it’s so far into the future it ends up feeling ancient and alien. If they just hung a bunch of Persian rugs and had Islamic architecture in a more obvious way (like in the movies everything in Arrakis was clearly inspired by Islamic architecture, but in a “brutal” and “alien” way), it would like like Earth and Earth cultures but a couple millennia into the future. But that is not the vibe at all.
I think Dennis captured the vibe of Dune perfectly, as a big big fan of the books 🤷♂️
No, both previous movies did it better. These are decadent space aristocrats, they should look colorful and fancy, even the esthetic of the lunch film does better at this.
The movie is visually boring and does not feel alien at all. It feels lazy and cheap.
I don’t know what to tell you. I read the books before watching either film. And I NEVER imagined anything looking like the David Lynch movie. Not sure what other one you’re referring to.
I imagined things much closer to the Denis movies. Specially the Harkonen side of things, I thought that was amazing.
To me the two Dune movies by Denis are some of the best sci-fi movies ever. But to each their own I guess.
The best adaptation is the 2000 mini series, that's the one closer to the look I want. the lynch movie has it's flaws but at least it's more visually interesting than the new ones, Wich are horrible.
I feel saying they look horrible is quite bold. The movies were universally lauded for looking amazing. Denis is generally loved for his visual language. He is a very visual director.
You might have visualized something different reading the books, but saying the movies look horrible is honestly baffling 😂
Also yeah the 2000 mini series is really great despite the super low budget. Still, it looks very much like* the sci-fi of its era. The Denis Dune movies look at least very unique.
Fremen sietches are described as raucously colorful with woven tapestries all over the place to make the cavern interiors more comfortable
They were just fucking empty rooms in the film I was so disappointed. That sterile look was the weakest element of the production design of those films, totally lacking a "lived in" feel.
It's the usual problem afflicting modern media: everything is too clean and new. Star Wars or Alien being grimy were very intentional decisions that took a lot of work to execute naturally on film. Bat-Agamemnon there is coming off of a ten year siege and he looks like he just took the plastic wrap off his comicon cosplay
This is just vibes on my part but I feel like a part of that modern emptiness is not having enough extras onscreen. In Dune there were these huge sets shot in a way that highlighted the emptiness, maybe they thought having fewer people in them made them feel more epic? maybe it's just cheaper. The Atreides are heads of a planet-spanning aristocracy which has no "thinking machines". Surely they'd have attendants everywhere! Fremen sietches, and Arakkeen, should be absolutely bustling.
Blade Runner 2049 is a more open question. The design of LA suggests a huge population density but Earth's ecology is so fucked that surely we have population decline, so many of those apartments should be empty.
If they wanted big crowds the tech exists pretty easily. I'm sure it's part of the cinematic language. Vast empty spaces to underscore how isolated and vulnerable the Atreides are
It's curious, especially when you look at the director's last work, Blade Runner 2049, which was the exact opposite. Everything outside of the Wallace Corp hyperwealthy scenes looked dingy. Sterile areas were dirty and everything looked prefabbed (on purpose).
(I said production design but what I meant was art direction, oops!)
I just checked imdb and Dune (1&2) and BR 2049 had different art directors, set decorators, and costume designers. No idea how the budgets compare but I have to assume they were similar and people just have a hard time deciding how to art direct Dune. With Blade Runner here they had the benefit of being a sequel.
Looks almost like the design is AI generated. Not sure if it is that or just the capeshit slopification of everything in Hollywood these days though.
LOOK AT THIS DRIP WE COULDVE HAD SOMETHING ACTUALLY UNIQUELY COOL AS FUCK BUT FUCK NO WE GET TROJAN BATMAN INSTEAD
Look at him in Total War, hes fuckin ballin
HOLLYWOOD LET HEXBEAR MAKE MOVIES FOR YOU! JUST GIVE US A BLANK CHECK AND SOME DIRECTORS TO BULLY AND WE'LL MAKE THE FINEST SLOP IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD part 3.
Look… I don’t like Nolan. I think his movies are boring, and pretty superficial. And I don’t think he could ever properly direct a movie with this kind of costuming. He would be incapable of getting a real looking story out of people dressed like this.
To me the tragedy isn’t that the movie doesn’t look “time accurate”. I mean it’s a mythological story, it’s not about accuracy. There are gods roaming around ffs. To me the tragedy is Nolan doing it… why Nolan?
I weirdly feel the 2000s movie Troy is more his vibe, than the actual Odyssey lmao
The amount of people who's reaction is "ummm it's myth not history sweaty there is no accuracy" as if we don't have boar tusk helmets and the Dendra armor to say nothing of artistic depictions of bronze age stuff not specifically mentioned in the epic.
If it's myth then explain how they found the real city of Troy by following the book's own lore! 
My favorite study that came out of this was that they put on Mycaenean armour they found and then followed the diet and battle regime detailed in the Iliad and concluded "yeah this armour works." Experimental anthropology is fun. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0301494
Hey I am on the "accurate enough to be using some real history carried down" side of the Homeric question. The chariots being there despite being misused always felt so telling to me that Homer knew somethings needed to be maintained even if he didn't know how they would be used in war.
And yeah fuck Schliemann, but just following the fucking directions two thousand years later is so funny
Hilariously, We've recently discovered that the layers of Troy associated with the late bronze age (VIIa) are located slightly away from the main hill, meaning that the settlement is a bit larger than we thought and more like the stories of Troy. But, and this is the funny part, Schliemann didn't just dynamite his way through the layer he wanted because he though old=good. He dynamited the wrong spot!
I been making fun of it in the chat for having no aura
Have you seen the Ancient Greek Brutalism?
Nolan glazers keep coping and saying the only people that hate it its the ones that want historical accuracy and are bringing up the soviet movie Alexander Nevsky as an example of good movies that dont follow historical accuracy
Except unlike Nolan's its actually has aura
Please tell me where the first picture is from. I didnt see it in the trailer
Its leaked from an early screening
How do you fuck up Greek columns so badly? Like, what was even the thought process behind this? "Eh, we don't need to actually carve any of this shit and make it look like a real place, everything is AI now so no one will care if it looks terrible."
Aaaaaaah, that's the point of 3D printers! They were supposed to usher in a glorious age of wild design potential and free makers from some of the hardest parts of large implementation!
It was only like a decade ago!
They both lack color
Nevsky was much more accurate, the russian helmets/shields are all archaeological, and even the teuton inaccuracies are less chronologically/thematically divorced from the source material.
the trojans in nolan are goth 5th century bce? greeks and the greeks are 3rd century bce? if you put this art direction in a film about the Boeotian War you'd be wrong and this film is supposed to be 1000 years before that
Christopher Nolan doesn't get nearly enough hate as he should
Like if you're gonna make something that's loose with accuracy at least make it interesting to look at like fuck even 300 looks more interesting and colorful than this slop and that was pure dogwater
