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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t even care about the Odyssey that much but I do think the Bronze Age was fucking fascinating. I know the classic canon of western civilization is overplayed, especially by a bunch of marble statue dipshits, but those boneheads think Fight Club is about starting a fight club. Fuck em. The Bronze Age shit slaps. Bunch of goat herders built a wall around a hill and some other group of dickheads with boats knocked it over. Then they tell some elaborate yarn about it for a thousand years. Hilarious stuff.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The lack of any kind of Sea Peoples sword and sandals epic is criminal.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

The sequels write themselves as our heroes sail to another land and start brawls with the locals. They’re basically the Saiyans from Dragon Ball. Agamemnon was extremely Vegeta coded.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Aeneid would go so, so hard. The panicked flight from burning troy as the Mycenaean sea peoples burn it, an amazing voyage through a world in collapse, panicked refugees streaming into Carthage since the Phoenicians are the last remaining civ that hasn't closed borders. and at the end, hope in Apulia, and a promise of Rome.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 45 points 1 month ago (3 children)

LOOK AT THIS DRIP WE COULDVE HAD SOMETHING ACTUALLY UNIQUELY COOL AS FUCK BUT FUCK NO WE GET TROJAN BATMAN INSTEAD

[–] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 50 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Look at him in Total War, hes fuckin ballin

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago

HOLLYWOOD LET HEXBEAR MAKE MOVIES FOR YOU! JUST GIVE US A BLANK CHECK AND SOME DIRECTORS TO BULLY AND WE'LL MAKE THE FINEST SLOP IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD part 3.

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

kinda looks like the pictures of generals wearing like 200 medals on their uniform

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

I mean that 100% checks out for Agamemnon, who is famous for declaring himself the best of the Greeks while letting Akhilleus do all the work and then unfairly taking his sex slave because Agamemnon had to give away his own sex slave.

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[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago (6 children)

This is also one of my problems with the new dune adaptation, it's visually bland and colourless, when there was so much opportunity to use Islamic, bizanytine and tzarist architecture and clothing as a base for the desings, when the setting is clearly middle eastern/ Caucasus inspired.

[–] fox@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fremen sietches are described as raucously colorful with woven tapestries all over the place to make the cavern interiors more comfortable

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They were just fucking empty rooms in the film I was so disappointed. That sterile look was the weakest element of the production design of those films, totally lacking a "lived in" feel.

[–] fox@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's the usual problem afflicting modern media: everything is too clean and new. Star Wars or Alien being grimy were very intentional decisions that took a lot of work to execute naturally on film. Bat-Agamemnon there is coming off of a ten year siege and he looks like he just took the plastic wrap off his comicon cosplay

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[–] Staines@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lacking in both aura, and, historical vibes. Kinda just looks like slop.

If anyone wants to read the Odyssey, I'd suggest the modern Emily Wilson translation. It attempts to be a more direct and faithful adaptation that maintains a similar rhythm as the original spoken poetry in greek.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

More importantly imo she removes a lot of the Victorian brainworms prior English translations smuggled in, like calling slaves "servants" or calling Helen a "bitch" rather than the more correct "dog faced," which doesn't have the same gendered connotations as "bitch" does in English. Lattimore is still my favorite translator of.the epics, but Wilson's is really wonderful. Both her Iliad and Odyssey are worth reading.

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

The Lattimore and Wilson translations are what I'd go for as well. The others are basically just victorian fanfics calling themselves translations.

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

rather than the more correct "dog faced,"

Was biden doing a homeric reference when he called that one reporter a "Dog faced Pony soldier"

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[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

It's great, the War Nerd Prose Iliad is great, and I'm a big fan of the Pope translation of both if you want something in a higher register. All such different vibes, all great.

The Nolan vibes are fucked though. Looks like a third rate spinoff of the Dune movies, but without decent art design and using leftover TDKR props.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The amount of people who's reaction is "ummm it's myth not history sweaty there is no accuracy" as if we don't have boar tusk helmets and the Dendra armor to say nothing of artistic depictions of bronze age stuff not specifically mentioned in the epic.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If it's myth then explain how they found the real city of Troy by following the book's own lore! morshupls

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

My favorite study that came out of this was that they put on Mycaenean armour they found and then followed the diet and battle regime detailed in the Iliad and concluded "yeah this armour works." Experimental anthropology is fun. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0301494

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hey I am on the "accurate enough to be using some real history carried down" side of the Homeric question. The chariots being there despite being misused always felt so telling to me that Homer knew somethings needed to be maintained even if he didn't know how they would be used in war.

And yeah fuck Schliemann, but just following the fucking directions two thousand years later is so funny

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Hilariously, We've recently discovered that the layers of Troy associated with the late bronze age (VIIa) are located slightly away from the main hill, meaning that the settlement is a bit larger than we thought and more like the stories of Troy. But, and this is the funny part, Schliemann didn't just dynamite his way through the layer he wanted because he though old=good. He dynamited the wrong spot!

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Christopher Nolan doesn't get nearly enough hate as he should

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Like if you're gonna make something that's loose with accuracy at least make it interesting to look at like fuck even 300 looks more interesting and colorful than this slop and that was pure dogwater

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

300 at least had aura, and was definitely closer to how the Greeks like saw themselves as these gigachads. It's cryptofascist slop but at least it has an art style.

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

I been making fun of it in the chat for having no aura

Have you seen the Ancient Greek Brutalism?

Nolan glazers keep coping and saying the only people that hate it its the ones that want historical accuracy and are bringing up the soviet movie Alexander Nevsky as an example of good movies that dont follow historical accuracy

Except unlike Nolan's its actually has aura

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

are bringing up the soviet movie Alexander Nevsky as an example of good movies that dont follow historical accuracy

The tutonic barbarians most definitely wore silly war hats like what's depicted in Alexander Nevsky. That's the Genius of Eisenstein, he still follows closely to historic Realism but adds a beautiful coat of colorful paint to just make it POP

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[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How do you fuck up Greek columns so badly? Like, what was even the thought process behind this? "Eh, we don't need to actually carve any of this shit and make it look like a real place, everything is AI now so no one will care if it looks terrible."

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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Akhilleus was an aura farmer, as was Odysseus for sure. They fought and killed people because they wanted their sick, beautiful armour. There's half a book of the Iliad that describes the armour of Akhilleus and all the pretty engravings it had. Agamemnon's Medusa shield is an incredible piece of work, commented on by all as Art. These myths were all about aura, and the lifeless blandness of Nolan is so sad to see.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Have you seen the Ancient Greek Brutalism?

This has to be a CGI placeholder. There's no way.

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[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Looks almost like the design is AI generated. Not sure if it is that or just the capeshit slopification of everything in Hollywood these days though.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nolan only has one style and it works for Dark Knight but doesn't work for anything else.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

I mean he does well with more modern settings, like Dunkirk and Oppenheimer were quite satisfactory. I suppose the problem is that his style only truly works in a modern to post-modern contemporary period when life was drained from the world.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (8 children)

it works for Dark Knight

I disagree, tbh. Edgy Batman sucks, despite apparently being the preferred version for basically all Batman writers.

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[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I read this as "Agamememon" at first and thought people were mad about some new Digimon thing lmao

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Agumonmemnonmon

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I don't think it's a fair critique to criticize the film for not using period accurate Mycenaean armour given the Odyssey poet was not Mycenaean and the Ancient Greeks in their depictions of the Odyssey used classical era armour, not Mycenaean. That said, the armour does look boring as hell and if you're adapting an adventure story that even the Greeks thought was from an older time that was different enough from their own you might as well have some fun with the designs.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

Lmfao the Mycenaean armour looks way better than the generic nolan dark armour too.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean at least have boar helmets which are attested to in the Epic and we have uncovered. Plus these are the most boring classical era armor as is. The people the epic is talking about would be closer to the Mycenaean if the war had happened. It is totally fair to expect that you use the armor that was found with the same helmet the epic mentions.

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Fuxk make it a swanky broadway jazz musical like how they did the tale of Orpheus and Eurydice in Hadestown, but at least make it interesting to look and listen at

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[–] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's an oddly constipated look.

If he's secretly made it all aliens instead of gods and monsters, hence the scifi armour (for one guy) and blocky temples... well, it's still a boring look, but at least then there's a kind of - the autocorrect thinks I want to say "fake alchemy" next, which... I kinda agree with.

Like if Lord of Light was drab and functional.

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