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"Babe, BABE, listen to me! I don't care about what your friends say, Google dress it up like it's something magical, but it's just IMAP under the hood. That Let's Encrypt cert is better than anything VeriSign will sell you. Now let's review your subscribed folders again, I assure you, you saw that college acceptance letter and filed it and it's your own fault for having client side rules."
highly recommend https://mailinabox.email/ for setting up and and ticking every compliance box. dmarc, spf etc
unfortunately you can be the best, most compliant host on the planet with the with a cleanest of IP's... google is still going to randomly and silently drop your email to different email addresses. so its pretty much completely untenable for non hobby project.
fuck google so fucking hard
You should be able to clean that up with a relay on a known accepted provider. Sending out emails through Amazon SES should be reasonable without them selling your information.
Selfhosting isn't as clean as it used to be, you pretty much have to buy some form of protection to play.
This is an amusing thread for me as my day job used to be unfucking postfix and exim servers daily for a fleet of vps and dedi boxes.
unfucking postfix
This is not a task for the feint of heart, nor was it ever, even back when the technology was first invented. I salute you.
Tbf most of the time you just had to clear ssd space and rebuild indices after restarting services as mostly the mail was there but stuck in queue
I have no experience with any type of backend mail management or anything like it.
But I do have a corporate email through Microsoft exchange. I hate multiple apps on my phone, so I have it as an extra account in my Gmail app.
And it sucks. I don't get a lot of emails, only the last 3 or 4 emails actually show up in the app.
But my biggest, angriest problem.... Is mail getting stuck in the queue.
If I'm sending a short email? Fine, I can use the app. Fire it off and it'll send immediately.
But if I write a long email? It will say it's sending, it'll sit in the outbox, but it will never.. ever.. send. Ever.
No amount of Wi-Fi cycling or data cycling, cache clearing or phone restarting will ever ever get that email to send. It will just sit there silently failed. Not even acknowledging it's failed when you poke at it, let alone with a notification or something.
The first time I realized it happened, it was an unfortunately important email.
Would you like to guess what the problem is? I pulled my hair out for like a day before figuring it out. I'll put it in a spoiler tag so you can guess.
Again: short emails send immediately, long emails never send, and sit silently failed for eternity.
spoiler
When you write a long email, at some point it saves a draft. For some reason, that draft is what holds everything up. If I remember correctly, even deleting the draft doesn't make it send.. If ever I forget, and it happens again, I have to copy my whole email to the clipboard, open exchange in the web browser, find the draft (which is never complete, always only half or less of what I wrote) paste my full message into the draft, and then manually send it.
I guess technically it's my own fault, I could just use the exchange app and it would probably solve this. But I don't want to, and I shouldn't have to, email is not new. But it is terrible. Like printers. Bah.
Hosting email is bad because the few companies everyone tells everyone to use run email. It is fine if hosting email isn't for you but discouraging others to not try is exactly how we lose ground ona completely open protocol. Everyone who is willing should host email. There are "distros" like mailinabox and mailcow that make it very easy. The more folks that host it the more the larger hosts will have to start to be more of a tram player.
True story. Email is one of the last things I'd try to host myself.
I knew someone online who did.
Their autism level was in a category that I've yet to find words for. The train people fear them.
This person has been there.
I'm still there. I've always wanted to be able to offer an email service to family or friends. But, even though I've been doing it for a couple of decades, it's never been stable enough to offer to them. For part of that time it's because I didn't really know enough of what I was doing, but the more I learned and the better I got at it, the more I started to lose the war against both spammers and against the major service providers who kept making it harder and harder to prove you're not a spammer.
The latest one was literally issue 3. My provider splits an IPV6 /64 among multiple VPSes, when most of the world, including blocklist publishers, think a /64 is for a single "entity". The only way to resolve it was to not use IPV6.
Why don't selfhost?
Reliability.
My server is down sometimes. Sometimes days.
No server no email.
No server no email.
I fail to see the problem.
Skill issue. My server has better online times than CloudFlare or AWS.
AWS offers an SLA of 99.9 availability, which it has usually exceeded each year. That means your server can't be down more than ~8h per year to beat it. Your residential ISP (in a nearly optimal case) has a 15-30 min service period overnight every few weeks.
Hope your area gets less than ~3 hours of power outages per year or you're going to be breaching your SLA before you even hit software.
Your ISP is kind of dogshit if it's forcing 15-30m of downtime overnight every few weeks. And power outages are kind of a weird thing to focus on, you should be on a UPS anyway.
In any case, someone interested in self-hosting email very likely has a redundant connection anyway. I'm not even hosting my own email and I have 5gb/mo of cellular backup in dual-WAN, and enough battery capacity to run my entire stack for several hours.
Not to mention a generator to recharge them, if it comes down to that.
Like, I need you to understand that in the networking industry, 99.9% uptime is genuinely laughable. You should be able to hit that by accident. The gold standard is 'five nines', or 99.999% uptime, or less than 5 minutes of downtime a year.
8 hours of downtime a year? If a service I was managing had 8 hours of downtime a year I would be laughed out of my job lol.
Lol the commenter you replied to didnt expect a one of a kind person to reply.
Normal people don't have a ginormous battery and a generator for when the power goes out.
Every ISP is dogshit too. If it doesn't go down from incompetence, it's their physicial infra being broken from weather or some other "natural event".
Even then, I can't justify paying their crazy rates for 5g backup year round just for it to kick in once or twice a year or a couple nights where I'm not awake anyways.
Every email server that sends mail should have a rety mechanism if it fails to deliver too, so you shouldn't miss any mail as long as your server isn't offline for too long.
Ofc you are allowed to need 99.99% uptime for your home server, just disagreeing that it's a need for most of us (including me).
I sorta self host my email. Technically aws hosts my email but I've a local postfix and dovecot to serve devices.
That simplifies ip address reputation, dkim, spf, etc. It also provides a backstop if my homelab goes down as messages buffer to s3. I pay a few cents per 1k messages, which effectively means zero.
that third one killed it for me. I hate what the Internet has become. We need to setup a second Internet that somehow can't be monetized.
It's called the i2p network
Correct. Come to I2P and experience 90s internet again. It's slow but has character, if by character you understand I mean anonymous Geocities.
Honest question: is there also a boatload of sketchy stiff to avoid if you just wanted to have a nice SFW time? Early 2000s internet before Google indexed everything had some pockets of unsavory.
Also, is it just a bunch of middle aged dudes in mostly text forums? That's like 85% of my experience with 90s internet.
I haven't stumbled upon much sketchy stuff, you'd need to know where it is and discovery is still fairly manual though indexing services exist. Of course you need to find those services in the first place...
Anonymity is more of a focus than 90s internet, so it's hard to tell who anyone really is but you're probably right. There are active Russian and Iranian dissident text forums though.
However, for me, it's the people just hosting personal websites e.g., a darkwave radio site, or a cryptography blog. Obviously the barrier to entry means it leans fairly techy.
Cool, thanks for sticking with me and explaining.
ai image... with positive vote??? on myfediverse??? what a shame
Because it's hard to notice it.
It really is. I used to be able to tell the difference, but where do you people see that it’s AI in this image?
If you're in doubt, zoom in. There's probably more, as some background detail are blurred enough for the AI to be allowed to be sloppy there.
I still don't see it. This just looks like one of those schizoid gangstalker images where they circle nothing.
Self hosting for years and have none of these issues, but I'm going to migrate soon and will probably be able to use this as a checklist 😐
I stopped hosting my own email servers many years ago, even when I was being paid for it. Any time anyone mentions DKIM or yahoo throttling or anything of that nature I get a thousand yard stare and and start to hyperventilate. I'm sure it easier when you aren't sending 5 million messages a month, but who needs the headache.
It is great.
Mailcow protected by crowdsec, using SMTP2GO as outbound relay. No issues. I even have Addy.io running without issues.
I only allow inbound port 25. All other ports and access can only be done over WireGuard.
Best part is. My emails stay in my control on a server in Canada.
Al slop
Give it up, dude. The models that just recently came out are so good you are kidding yourself if you think you can tell them apart from photographs.
Been self hosting mail for over a decade and its never been easier thanks to stalwart. The IP block list thing is true though, but mostly you request removal once from Microsoft and spamhaus and that's it.
Given the amount of spam selfhosting your email sounds like the 7th circle of hell. Media servers should be enough, thankyouverymuch