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[American biased post, because that's what I know and where I am]

Been screaming that capitalism is not the problem you are experiencing. Monopolies, or more to the point, cartels, have exploded in scope over the past 40-years. Think of a company you hate, a company that's fucking you over, a company that's fucking us ALL over. Bet they fit the bill.

Hate your job at Lowe's? Go to Home Depot! wait... There's a great family-owned, local hardware store, but I can't afford to shop there.

Walgreens piss you off? Just go to CVS! well damn... New local pharmacy chain is really nice! They can't take my insurance.

Don't like your bank?

If you're under 40, or maybe even under 50, I cannot relate how alien this all is, the words fail me. If you're in your 20s or 30s, it's easy to think it was always like this. Oh hell no it was not.

Along with allowing corporations unlimited political "speech", i.e. campaign contributions, the proliferation of cartels will go down in history as America's failing point. (Basically the same thing?)

News like the current entertainment mergers didn't fucking happen. And here on lemmy we're talking, with a straight face, about the ups and downs of the Netflix/Warner Bros./HBO merger. And if you'll remember, Warner Bros./Time Warner/AOL was the largest merger in US history!

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[–] Rhyfel@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

You're just describing capitalist inevitabilities

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Everything in the post screams unfettered, unregulated capitalism as the underlying cause since it's the system that allows and promotes this behavior.

Also as a 40+ year old, I can remember that this has been the case too since I remember the wal-marts moving in and killing every local business with everyone smiling about cheap Chinese goods. Same as it ever was.

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[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Wrong community.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago

The bitch is that we need to not only overcome capitalism and the right, but also the brand of liberal consultant that makes 6 figures a year blaming bad actors in defense of the system that makes them.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

There's a paradox I heard of that's pretty relevant in this line of thought that is pretty transportable to most things. I heard it in the context of IT security.

It goes something like this: you buy security and after 2 or 3 years when you need to renew, nothing bad has happened, so it seems like you don't need security. When in actual fact the extra security has been the reason there haven't been any incidents.

So it's almost impossible to prove that buying the security is helping without extensive analytics.

In many cases those analytics are either very difficult or impossible to get.

To demonstrate the transportable nature of this concept, let's transpose it to vaccines.

If everyone is vaccinated, then nobody gets sick from those diseases, making it seem like the diseases are not a threat anymore, which means that vaccines are no longer useful.

Meanwhile, in all actual fact, the only reason why polio is so rare is because there is a safe and effective vaccine for it that everyone has taken (replace polio with whatever disease you want that has an effective vaccine).

It's a paradox of: how do we prove this is working, without discontinuing it and possibly being eaten by rats/leopards/whatever.

If there's only monopolies in the market then is their product the best on the market, or is everyone using it because there's no alternatives?

Leaning that monopoly argument against capitalism, it's almost certainly not the best product. When you have a captive audience, those that need your service and don't have an alternative, there's no incentive to innovate, or invest in improving the product at all. Do innovation stagnates so that corporations can maximize shareholder value; because the focus of a corporation isn't to innovate, or improve what they do, their focus is always on extracting the most value for the least cost.

Therefore, monopolies will almost certainly lead to a sub-optimal product. The people that suffer for this are the users of that product. In the case of something like Google search, that's basically everyone.

There's a more modern term for this phenomenon: enshittification. Actively making a product worse specifically for the purposes of creating profits for shareholders.

Late stage capitalism is fun, isn't it?

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago

Uncharacteristically self-aware of you to post this in the shitpost community.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Monopolies are bad in every sector with the exception of software development. Let me explain:

When you produce 5 cars, you have 5 cars. That's 5 times as good as 1 car. So it makes sense to produce more cars.

When you have 5 programs (that each do the same), you have effectively 4 redundancies and you could get the same work done with 1 program. So, 5 programs is worth just as much as 1 program, and the other 4 are a waste. So it is more efficient to only write every software once. This also reduces bloat and confusion. For example, if iOS and Android had more common code basis, it would probably be better for everyone.

Consider this meme, but with products instead of standards:

This is why monopolies make sense in software development. Google developed a lot of software, including Android, which doesn't need to be developed 10x times by 10 different companies. It only needs to be developed once. That's the difference between hardware (cars) and software.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Google based Android off Linux. Apple based IOS off BSD. Both of those were the result of collaborative work between thousands of millions of contributors.

Frameworks exist that assist in making apps for either or both, just like they exist to build games for multiple consoles etc.

Meanwhile, Google has now declared that they will require developers register signing key WITH THEM in order to make software that will run on Android (regardless of whether it's installed via their store or another) and has been taking steps away from providing the the necessary codebase under AOSP etc that allow for third-party projects that were based on Android

Google has also transitioned readily to "rent" based services such as YouTube while killing off Google Play Music etc (such actually allowed purchases/downloads of media). Both companies are already heavily investing in generative AI.

Do you think that once they have control of all app signing they'll allow apps that circumvent their advertising or data-harvesting?

This doesn't "make sense", it makes us pay more to a digital landlord who throws around their weight to lock us in further and further while using their increasing wealth to buy up or crush all the competition. We're accepting chains of convenience today in trade for restrictions and exploitation tomorrow.

I can think of one company that holds a dominating market position and has been somewhat benevolent, and that's Valve. They don't buy out competition, they've been active contributors to open-source (to the extent that they've made gaming on Linux actually viable and good), and they often seem listen to their customers in order to improve. They still do take a goodly % of sales revenue from developers who list with them though.

[–] lukaro@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The real problem is people. It doesn't matter which system you live under greedy shitty people will find every loophole they can to increase their own wealth especially if the consequences aren't seen or felt. It's not being evil it's just how people are.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if your instinct is to blame human nature, you are wrong. i mean, not wrong that human nature is flawed, but wrong in that you are effectively arguing there can never be a solution to anything.

solving problems requires tackling the human element. and often times means holding people accountable.

[–] lukaro@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn't mean to imply that there can't be solutions, only that there can't be solutions that don't account for most people being selfish assholes.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Oh! then we agree, unregulated capitalism was very dumb.

Neoliberals didn’t do this solo.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Is that Cory Doctorow?

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But that is the inevitable outcome of capitalism.
It's like saying "the problem isn't kittens, it's cats".

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's more like saying "the problem isn't the several aggressive madmen with loaded guns shooting at you, it's when the bullet hits you that's the problem".

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[–] sobchak@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago

Small local businesses fuck over their employees too. Capitalism incentives it. It also incentives monopolies. And it seems when the wealth disparity gets large enough, it captures government and starts transforming into fascism.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The fundamental argument here is that it's not the system which incentivizes abusers that is the problem but rather the abusers who exploit the system. Sure, we can have another working class revolution, keep capitalism around and build institutions that keep exploitation in check but given enough time those with capital and the power that it represents will chip away at those institutions, continuing the cycle and harming people in the process.

[–] dingleberrylover@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This would happen under any system since power-hungry narcissists are everywhere, so sooner or later every society would run into these issues. My statement is not meant to defend capitalism but to rather state the question on how to prevent or diminish these kind of influences from power-hungry people, independent of the underlying economic system.

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 1 points 18 hours ago

Capitalism encourages narcissism. It strives on it. Corporations themselves are narcissistic entities. A system not built on individualism and greed would help.

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[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

a system that does not account for abuse will fail. but let’s not be so defeatist. society may go in cycles of rise and decline. we just have to stretch the rise and force the reset early enough to mitigate the harm. and while what comes after the next revolution may fail eventually, the good times should be fought for none the less. and be ever vigilant to remind those whom we entrust power that the leviathan sleeps as long as it’s cared for.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The real problems is problems.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 days ago (13 children)

"capitalism is not the problem. The problem is capital and it accumulation."

Yeah. Great propaganda bro.

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