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That is the most hostile tracking shit I've ever seen. There's no way this is legal in the EU.
It's not because in EU it has to be opt-in.
This is a good call and it’s refreshing to see a police chief trying to enforce something sensible.
At the same time, I don’t have high hopes of US police being able to correctly identify and react to “unlawful force.” They sure don’t stop themselves or their colleagues when they use it against a minority, but they’re expected to intervene when ICE does it?
This is the correct reaction to a criminal administration violating laws and court orders with impunity, however this is not the reaction we see from most police departments. Police are supposed to work for the community, upholding the communities rules, not for whoever wields the biggest stick, or whoever they agree with politically.
defund both ice AND the police, and redirect those funds to stuff like public broadcasting and such. seriously!
A sergeant from O’Hara’s department later clarified that while Minneapolis Police Department officers may physically intervene in the case of unlawful force, they would stop short of arresting ICE agents.
That needs to happen next. Assault is assault.
Yeah, but these are cops we’re talking about—they’re conditioned to escalate at the first sign of noncompliance.
Can you really picture a cop physically intervening, being pushed aside, and saying “ok, never mind”?
Can you really picture a cop physically intervening, being pushed aside, and saying “sorry, my bad”?
I mean, if the other guys scare them...
Holy shit the hopium you that keeps people going... 🤦🏽
Cops are not going to get physical and escalate with ICE, stop it!
Probably not. But I can imagine an ice agent getting physical with a cop.
Oh shit, not all cops are ba--
A sergeant from O’Hara’s department later clarified that while Minneapolis Police Department officers may physically intervene in the case of unlawful force, they would stop short of arresting ICE agents.
...oh. It's just for show isn't it? Nevermind.
If they literally stop them from abducting and deporting people it's not all for show. Why can't people on this site ever say hey, that's a good step? You're so all or nothing, it's tiring.
Hey Minne PD, Lemmy says "Not good enough!", so fuck it.
This is only a symbolic gesture until we see actual literal results. Those results are already questionable because we know they won't be arresting these criminals.
I'm not sure what you see this officer having done other than talk about encouraging his officers to do part of their job or risk losing it.
This isn't actually doing anything. This is barely an announcement of public intent to in the future do something. Every time the police don't do something will be evidence that this was full of shit. If an officer does something as a result of this order it can't even be praised because of what it's taken to force them to do it.
They aren't actually going to do it though. This is all marketing and public relations nonsense. This is purely performative. If I'm wrong I will be so happy to be wrong.
Because they're still literally not doing their jobs.
As an example, let's say I flip burgers for a living. You come in to my restaurant and order a cheeseburger. I then proceed to slap a hunk of raw ground beef and a slice of cheese down right on the counter in front of you. That'll be $8.50, pay up.
You aren't going to say "that's progress!" you're going to say "that's not a fucking cheeseburger".
Same here. Yeah, it is progress forward from the literal nothing that they were doing before. It still is not satisfactory progress that satisfies the basic job requirements of their chosen career.
you can’t apply group behaviour to single events… it takes time to change human behaviour in a group - especially when it’s politicised behaviour … if every restaurant were serving raw patties and raw was incorrectly politicised as “healthier” and then 50% started being cooked you’d say that’s progress… it’d remain horrible, but it is indeed progress and clearly those doing better should be congratulated for somehow managing to get their shit together even a little bit
Hahaha fuck it must be tiring.
Trump and his MAGA machine definitely want to see local law enforcement (particularly "blue city" cops like Minneapolis) fire the first shots at National Guard, it lets them enter a new form of oppression. Arresting National Guard would be received as an act of war, and everyone involved here understands that.
But it literally is progress if every restaurant you go to and order a cheeseburger says "Fuck you, I'll take my $8.50 and you have to leave". There's a weird presumption here that you could go somewhere else and get the whole burger just how you like it and you absolutely can't.
A better analogy is that you go to a chain restaurant and the regional manager comes in to spit on your food and undercook your patty but the franchise workers say "we might let you under cook it because you're sort of the boss, but that's as much lenience as you get".
Not perfect, but still city or state action against the Fed is progress considering the group of people who are officers at any level are probably closer to homegenous than the regular population.
Progress, sure. Cowardice, yep.
So...when the police FIND someone breaking the law they decide which party they want to help.
OR
so … nothing but a reminder that all cops are indeed bastards and pussies.
They will just go work for ICE 🤔
Going to have to explain themselves to a tribunal when Donald kicks the bucket.
Just like how Obama punished all the war criminals when he got into office, right?
The people aren’t going to wait for the next president to look forward, not backward.
And what are the people going to do about it? Vote harder? Protest?
We did all that in 2008, and Obama still let the war criminals go free.
So if you honestly believe this situation will be different, please explain how it is different.
Mubarak was dictator of Egypt for decades. When the cost of bread became unaffordable, he was out within weeks.
Change is impossible until it’s inevitable.
Oh so you're saying we need violent coup of the American government in order to make progress? That makes sense.
It seemed like you were suggesting we could get ICE Nuremberg trials through the electoral process. That is a fantasy.
MAGA boys MAGA boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when Brian O'Hara comes for you?