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Looking at what's happening with RAM pricing and Crucial being shuttered, the doomer in me thinks they could just pull the same thing with every other PC component. It's not like some plucky band of upstarts can start 3D printing organic free-range FOSS processors, hard drives and motherboards in their garage- all of this shit comes out of a couple of giant plants in Asia. If porky strangles the supply, that's it. In the end all the average joe schmoe will be left with are cloud-based terminals that rely entirely on subscription services and that require strong identification to even use (and that will monitor and log every single fucking thing you do while drowning you in ads)

Wanna install Linux? Go ahead! What are you going to install it on though, your grandpa's old Pentium? porky-happy

Wanna ditch subscription services and sail the seas? Oops, it looks like hard drives cost 5,000 dollars and are only sold to enterprise customers. I guess you're not storing that media anywhere porky-happy

Our automated content scanning systems found a spicy pro-palestine meme in one of your chats. Your accounts have been terminated and the appropriate authorities have been contacted porky-happy

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[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 2 points 18 minutes ago

I don't think it's going to work out once the over-inflated pricing bursts. Yeah there's some people who want to have a digital serfdom, but I think it's going to crumble. I don't see how a "Own nothing be happy" society would be capable of re-producing itself.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 2 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

Not if they can avoid it. Selling stuff is usually necessary for a company that produces stuff. It's just that right now there are more valuable markets than the consumer market. Because this is a ludicrous bubble ai companies are willing to pay unreasonable prices.

But when this bubble pops apart from all the other financial damage, no one will be willing to pay the ridiculous markup on gpus.

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago

we just need to give sam one quadrillion more dollars and he will invent a computer that can suck you off,

[–] supplier@hexbear.net 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ram will be cheaper when the next recession hits.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 6 points 1 hour ago

Stripping RAM out of AI data centers will be the new ripping out the copper wiring. There will be plenty of that too.

[–] coolusername@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

no, cheap stuff will always be cheap

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Wanna install Linux? Go ahead! What are you going to install it on though, your grandpa's old Pentium?

Yes, install Tiny Core Linux on it.

I'm being only half facetious, if you have an older PC it'll still run a lightweight modern Linux distro. Kind of makes me feel all conspiratorial with all the perfectly fine office PCs getting turned into e-waste recently just because they can't run Windows 11 thinking-about-it

[–] mononoke@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

There's really nothing wrong with old tech. Half of the world still runs on tape drives. Until very recently my laptop was still 4:3. I haven't upgraded my desktop PC in something like 6 years and it's still fine. I don't play cutting edge video games or do intensive video rendering, but I imagine most people aren't either and they could live without AAA games.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 2 points 52 minutes ago

A 6 year old PC could probably run most AAA games just fine depending on your GPU, a GTX 1080 from almost ten years ago still gets surprisingly good results. Some people seem to be stuck in the 90s/early 2000s mentality where PC tech evolved much faster and a five year old PC was already obsolete, when a decade old or even older PC is still cromulent for browsing the web and paying your bills.

The main problem with playing AAA games on an older PC would probably be disk space, since at some point it became totally reasonable for a game to be 100+ GB.

That's why I'm herding x270s and old thinkpad laptops

[–] shath@hexbear.net 9 points 2 hours ago

get off the lathe

[–] GenXen@hexbear.net 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

| Wanna install Linux? Go ahead! What are you going to install it on though, your grandpa's old Pentium?

Sure. Oh you thought that I NEEDED a fancy GUI solution and couldn't survive with just a shell. Fuck, I'll connect into to the UART connection of a twenty year old DVD player to root it and get a shell on that if I need to. It already runs Linux.

| Wanna ditch subscription services and sail the seas? Oops, it looks like hard drives cost 5,000 dollars and are only sold to enterprise customers. I guess you're not storing that media anywhere

Yeah, I guess it'll be hard now to get the latest 4K rip of Disney-Marvel-Spy Kids slop. But that also extends to consumer devices that require storage for legitimate streaming too. I'd suspect some creative ideas will come about once Hollywood starts taking a REAL hit.

| Our automated content scanning systems found a spicy pro-palestine meme in one of your chats. Your accounts have been terminated and the appropriate authorities have been contacted

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[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

If you buy a new computer for Linux, it doesn't count. You need to buy a at least 3 year old Thinkpad laptop on ebay.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, enterprise PCs will always be a thing and corps pushing for PC refreshes means those enterprise PCs that have spend the past 3 years running Outlook, Powerpoint, and Teams will find its way to consumers once the 3 year warranty expires.

[–] EatPotatoes@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago

I've tried this option before. You get board, PSU failures and video card failures too often, especially with PCs being kept powered on 24x7. These aren't the same standard boards and PSUs used in self-builds and get stupid expensive to replace.

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 24 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, probably. Cory Doctorow's been writing about the war on general purpose computing for over a decade now.

[–] EatPotatoes@hexbear.net 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I hope we're salvating as porky does shit like this. Gaming is just grilling for so many people and building a PC is an aspiration for so many who have already been burned by crypto.

I think the only way to get to alot of them is using it as the hook for a co-ordinated boycott. As much as possible cut Microsoft, Google, Apple, Meta, nvidia, Adobe and anything else AI adjacent out of your life. That includes deepseek who are also likely eating alot of hardware. If a brand or studio use AI then cut them out. This should have been easy with BDS but we need to work with what we conditions have not what we want. Some of it is inescapable, especially Microsoft but the tech industry is so overleveraged that any decline in the attention economy is going to be a disaster. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for economic warfare.

Are we communists seeking to replace this failed system or are we social democrats wincing at it's next crisis?

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 15 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine building the empire on the support of treatlerites and then trying to take away their treats

[–] EatPotatoes@hexbear.net 10 points 2 hours ago

I am convince that porkies really want a world where most people don’t work or consume. Just wait to die from some mysterious illness when just enough of the economy is automated.

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

nah someone else will fill the void, and micron will be back when the ai bubble pops

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 12 points 4 hours ago

This but it'll take a while and be shitty in the meanwhile.

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 11 points 4 hours ago

Used Xeon servers are somewhat ($100-$300) cheap on ebay (at least in the US). Server gear has its drawbacks, mainly the weight, noise, and power consumption, but if you are concerned about computing access then they can be a decent buy. Anything aside from DRAM and modern CPUs/GPUs is unlikely to change in price. Previous generation server gear is either ewaste, or cheaply produced from commodity parts in China. If you don't need cutting edge performance (and you don't) then computing access is very unlikely to be cut off by the market.

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 8 points 4 hours ago

our only hope is the bubbling popping and tanking prices back down to somewhat normal levels

[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 17 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

It'd be way easier to make linux illegal. Capitalists want to sell you things, and computers and all the requisite components are things. If they made linux illegal then subscription services on the only allowed OS can still be a thing.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

I think capitalists would rather wedge into Linux and enshittify it than outright make it illegal.

I get the feeling the moment Linux gets popular enough, some techbros are going to get their claws into it just like they do everything else. Valve making Linux popular through Steam Deck etc is good for now. But everything always goes the same way eventually once private companies get involved. Capitalists are experts at taking the hard work of passionate people and stripping the copper out of it for profit until it's just a shell.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Corps trying to get in on Linux and make a version you pay them for has already happened twice (RedHat, Canonical) and it's about to happen again with Valve. It's been fine, the GPL is mostly working at keeping them from stealing it all. You're even using stuff made by all three of those companies.

There's also Android where they made a whole layer of Not Linux on top of a Linux and that's kind of shitty, but it hasn't hurt mainline Linux at all, and despite their best efforts, the part where it's open source has let all sorts of projects use Android for things Google wouldn't like (like those emulator handhelds).

[–] mononoke@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

GPL stays winning, permissive licenses coping and/or seething. Imagine a different timeline where Apple or Sony had to put all of that back into FreeBSD.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 15 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I could see the EU getting pissy about Linux if they ever introduce a version of Chat Control for PCs, threatening distros that don't comply with whatever draconian horseshit they're cooking with ridiculous fines. France already thinks you're a drug-dealing terrorist pedophile if you use GrapheneOS on your phone

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 12 points 4 hours ago

Oh absolutely. The age check crowd too are going to go after it right after VPNs because unlike MacOS, Android, iOS, and Windows it won't have baked in unavoidable age attestation that complies with and replies to websites with whether you're over 18/21 or not and thus is a hacker tool used to evade keeping the children from porn and other things (cough pro-Palestinian anti-empire narrative content cough). They may just make it so that you can use Linux but most of the web locks you out because you don't pass a valid age attestation check because your OS can't do that. So no more banking no more emails from Google, no more online shopping, no more social media, no more chat rooms, etc.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The thing with the current shortage is that it's way more profitable to sell the chips used for RAM and SSDs to giant corporations building AI data centers than to bother with the consumer market at all. It's not a co-ordinated push to ban personal computing per se, just a side effect that happens to align with the push for cloud/subscription bullshit Microsoft and others have a huge hard-on for and will probably dovetail nicely also the West's even bigger hard-on for doing every single fucking authoritarian thing they have been accusing China of doing for the past 20 years

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] towhee@hexbear.net 14 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

there is an answer to this. RETVRN to DDR3

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago

Are motherboards using DDR3 RAM still being made?

[–] Camille@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago

The desktop computer I built 10 years ago feels like it's brand new (it's powerful enough for about anything except gaming I guess), it's been running on DDR3 for forever. I've been out of PC upgrades for so long I found out about DDR4 like last year. This is crazy

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

porky-happy

"Why would you want a computer that can be customised to your liking and can have an open source OS Distro that is fully under your control, when you can buy a new AI, spyware and marketing bloated phone that we will update to not work with any of our apps in 2 years. Greedy old fashioned poors! Fine, if you insist on being like that we're just going force all the bad parts of Phones into all new computers."

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 13 points 5 hours ago

Uh oh, looks like you're not renewing your cloud storage subscription. The photos of your dead grandma have been deleted porky-happy

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

cpus should be pretty safe from the llm bubble, they need good gpus and oodles of ram

from what i've seen, prices for cpus are pretty stable, ram is up like 4-5x since like september, gpus like 1.5-2x

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 12 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Introducing TPM version 69, you will now need to verify your identity online before the machine will boot. Your CPU and ID will be permanently linked and all activity will be logged by an AI somewhere

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

drink verification can to continue booting Windows 42

[–] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

breath alcohol ignition interlock device that requires you to blow over to start your pc

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 7 points 2 hours ago

Craning my neck over my computer so it can scan the chip implanted in my neck but my bosses’s shock collar keeps getting in the way

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We're going to have to just steal computers from them aren't we?

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago

YoU WoUlDnT dOwNlOaD a CoMpUtER

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago

It's mostly just going to be giant data centers