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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 165 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Average age of a first time homebuyer is now over 40. Even at a reasonable interest rate, most buyers would die before they actually own the house.

[–] DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world 146 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] kautau@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Can't pass it on to your kids when the bank forecloses on it

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 49 points 3 weeks ago

Were not enough boomers taking them up in reverse mortgages?

Because that's where all my "generational" wealth went. "We can't take it with us Jimmy" though we did, in fact, take it from those who came before.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 52 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Late stage capitalism demands that you will own nothing.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

I know someone living in the Netherlands (home of Lemmy.world!) that told me they had interest only mortgages that didn't pay toward the principal and that this was common over there. It seems like these new 50 year mortgages in the USA are a step going that same way. Anyone from that area confirm this?

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

At that point, the bank is buying the house, they're just renting it to you for a very cheap rate, with the stipulation that you're responsible for all of the maintenance and etc. The "purchase" is just you entering into a long-term rental agreement.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Without the benefit of renting. Hell don't forget home insurance.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 13 points 3 weeks ago

There is still some optionality like maybe you get a windfall from a boomer dying and you can pay the principal. Or in 30 years your currency devalues to the point you can afford the principal.

Anyway it all feels like fool's hope. Situation is fucked.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

It an overall bad deal in my mind, but there are some upsides (not enough for me to take it). Assuming you get a fixed rate, you lock in your payment and your "rent"/mortgage will decline over time just from inflation eating away at it. I think most folks would love to have their rent decline by 3% every year. This effectively does that.

Additionally, if you are the homeowner instead of the renter, if the real estate increases in value, when you sell, you pocket the increase. There's nothing like that in renting.

[–] nonagonOrc@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I'm Dutch, just bought a home, and I've never heard of that.

Edit: I think that is called an "aflossingsvrije" mortage, banks stopped providing those after 2008 for obvious reasons.

Eidt 2: Apparently it still exists, but can no longer be used to finance an entire house. From my research it is often still possible for up to 50% of a house's value. It was also not an option in the way we bought our house.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

The year I turned 40, was the year I moved into my first non-rental property.

I'm living proof that shit is fucked up

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 88 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My favorite part of this whole 50 year mortgage thing is the shock that you'd pay like $1.7m for a $400k house over the 50 years while not batting an eye at paying $900k for a $400k house over 30. It's even funnier because houses don't have a set value, can change on a whim and have become a path to wealth instead of the necessity that is shelter.

The quality of the materials and the precision of the build has gone down while the prices rise, and everyone's like "oh this sucks, but the market".

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

At least cars are considered a valid housing choice these days, which is why car prices are rising.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, I thought it is actually not allowed in a lot of states to live in your car.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

Like stocks, and art, they're only as valuable as what people will pay for them.

If you want a shelter, you can use sticks and leaves in the forest and build something halfway decent at least. If you want a building to call your home, pay up dickhead.

Meanwhile, people who should be buying are renting, people who should be renting are in airbnbs or living in their cars, and the family dwellings are owned either by some jerkwad who wanted an income property, or a corporation that just felt like owning more land because they could.

I'm so proud of our society. Such progress! Capitalism is great!

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 75 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

So I did the math. A 30 year fixed and a 50 year fixed have a monthly payment difference of $1.

What the absolute fuck.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Because for the first lot of years you are paying basically 0 principal

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I owned my first house for 19 years, which was purchased in the fall of 2006. We sold it for the exact same price as we paid for it, and barely came out ahead. I know it was poor timing, but the idea of leaving a home and using it as part of your retirement income is a lie. The banks are laughing all the way to the bank.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Median home prices peaked at $216,000 in August 2006. The lowest they've been in 2025 is $414,000. You had some absolutely atrocious luck. You buy in Detroit or something?

Source: https://dqydj.com/historical-home-prices/

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[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

What?

Some random numbers that are of course VERY variable, but I just ran the calcs with 400k, 5% down, 6% APR for 30 and 50 years

$2648 for 30 years $2369 for 50

Now that is of course not a great deal, presumably you'd also get a little better rate for the longer loan (more points) but it's not a dollar.

Edit: wait you'll get a better rate for the shorter term loan, so this will probably further close the gap. Still not to $1 surely

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 58 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

A 50 year mortgage will be a lot like renting. Because the bank will own your shit until you die.

[–] danhab99@programming.dev 29 points 3 weeks ago

That's what we get for saying "why can't I get a mortgage when I pay more in rent just bc my credit is bad", the banks figured out how to rent properties to you.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago

Headline: Save 200 dollars a month with a 50 year mortgage over a 30 year!

Subtext: ... and end up paying double the interest to us for the benefit, and die before your loan is paid off so we get to take the house back from your corpse, sell it on the cheap to a corporate real-estate investment firm (that we have stock in) for just enough to cover the remaining mortgage balance. They'll turn your multi-generational family home into a shitty rental property or leave it empty to keep the rest of their rents high and your children get nothing cuz fuck em!

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 42 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

Bank workers are, at best, getting a small bonus when you sign that mortgage. Your fellow worker isn't the enemy.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

These are the financial professionals that normal people should be able to trust to make important decisions.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean... They're salesmen more than trustworthy professionals.

I see your point but the main issue is that nobody should ever trust the seller of anything to give them the info they need.

People should only ever trust trustworthy independent third parties... But those are hard to find.

I really don't know what the solution is besides getting a better education, and I don't mean a crap degree, I mean some more tangibile subjects in lower levels of school. I don't blame them lightly, but people that accept this kind of thing aren't the brightest.

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[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I can't believe this is real.

Home ownership out of reach? No problem, just never own a home. Bing bang boom.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

A 350k house assuming the national average on taxes and interest rates comes out to just shy of 1 million dollars. Over 650k in interest. The payment is $1700 which to put it in perspective my home was 260k at 2.8% interest and my payment is $1830 on a 30 year mortgage.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

I mean honestly good luck finding a 350,000 home. Even the homes that are 40 years old in my area are selling for 4 to 500,000. The new home build s are averaging 400 to $450,000 to start. So getting a home at $260,000 that you got would be a dream.

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I would rather eat my own children than sell them out to the future the banks have in mind.

These people have abandoned humanity.

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[–] bebabalula@feddit.dk 18 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Is this an actual thing in the us? We don’t have 50 year mortgages in Denmark but I can get a 30 year fixed interest at 3.5%

[–] webpack@ani.social 26 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

trump just announced 50 year mortgages

this is so awesome I can't wait to be in debt my entire life

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Don't forget about paying back triple what you borrowed!

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

The american dream of home ownership is rooted in settler colonialism, and used as a tool to keep workers in debt and afraid to take risks organising

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Well, the USA has 96 month automobile loans and this kind of shit does not surprise me. None of the asswipes in DC are discussing the piss poor income distribution in the USA which leads to affordability and a decent middle class life. In 1789, the French were 100% correct.

[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

A mortgage that lasts longer than your career is how you build generational debt.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Anybody who believes a 50 year mortgage is a good idea, does not understand discount rates....

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[–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I'll counter with a 100 year 2% mortgage

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[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

In Australia the Average mortgage loan term is over 30 years but the average duration before its paid out or refinanced is only 8 years. Id be more worried about the terms and conditions surrounding early payout and refinancing than the theoretical maximum term of the loan on paper because if they want to be truly predatory thats where it will be hiding.

[–] Zeon@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

At this point I'm just buying an RV.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago

Also, if the dealership is offering you 29% on a 7 year loan, please walk away. Stop giving in to that shit. It's better for you, and it's better for the rest of us.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So why do houses exist if nobody can have one?

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Corporations are people and they can have as many as they want???

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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m gonna be dead in 20 years, so I’m so sorry to have to turn this down lol

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They're considering offering a 50-year mortgage product to a market where the average first time buyer age is 40. Like no joke they're aiming to lock people into a mortgage that would cost more per month than renting the same property until they're 90.

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