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Man who's never worked an honest day in his entire life tells people who do honest work to get back to work.

The most "work" Trump has ever done is filling one McDonald's order for a photo op.

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[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 68 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

I'm sure replacing trained professionals in an already ~~underpaid~~ ~1~ and notoriously stressful job with whoever will work for free won't cause any issues. Especially when those people will be responsible for navigating aircraft safely in ever more congested airspace.

I had lurked the air traffic control subreddit back in the day and the situation was bleak. They have a fairly toothless union that keeps things from being as bad as they could be, but it was still hell. Underpaid hell for extremely skilled and critical labor. I'm amazed there haven't been more mid air collisions and other atc involved mishaps just from overworking and burnout.

Note 1: I thought they were underpaid based on information I remembered but this appears to have been inaccurate.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 75 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The reason their union is toothless is they tried striking under Reagan and he fired them all (which directly feeds into why we're now in the situation we're in)

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 45 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That's wild that something like that, controlling massive multi-million dollar highly explosive objects isn't a high paying job.

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 48 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Speaking of which, teachers should be paid a lot more.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're in control of the people who will be in control of highly explosive multi-million dollar flying objects

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

I was suggesting that the children are also highly-explosive multi-million dollar objects

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago

The stress alone needs more compensation. Imagine making a mistake that causes a crash?

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

It's somewhat high paying. The median salary is $70/hr or $150M/yr

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Goes to show how fucked everything is where a $70/hr job still can't afford the cost of living?

We need to shut down the bay area until we figure out what's going on

[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

They can definitely afford cost of living, maybe it was inexperienced controllers who were complaining about their salary that I remember. But from the statistics I'm seeing even the entry level controllers make okay money these days.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

makes you wonder what life is if you need to make 4x what you are to have one

[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Odd I remember seeing posts from controller making much less but you're right. Google says new inexperienced controllers make like $46k but I can't find data to back that up.

It's a pretty complicated scale with a lot of bonuses. An average controller probably makes ~40% of their income from overtime and bonuses, so that 46k is probably base income. The role and location also matters a lot. KLGA or KATL tower is going to make a lot more than KGCC ramp.

[–] someone@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Don't they also have an earlier mandatory retirement age than most other jobs?

Yes, 56 unless you are an exceptionally talented controller, in which case you can work till 61. You also need 20/20 (correctable) vision, can't wear reading glasses, and can't have had a psychiatric condition at any point in your life.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What does the mm/ of mm/yr mean in this context?

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

M means thousand and MM means thousand thousand (million). MM was a typo.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

M means thousands in which system??

Edit: Oh roman.


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘤𝘢𝘵. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

It's a fiance/accounting thing

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago
[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 43 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The ATC training program has also been shut down. So these new hires would just have to read the manual and YOLO it without any training

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[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 22 points 5 months ago

If labor supply does not keep up with demand, it is underpaid

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 4 points 5 months ago

with whoever will work for free

ICE is too busy deporting all the people that were willing to nearly work for free. Good luck finding any willing "patriots" at the Home Depot for the next few years lmao

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 68 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] wideopenarms@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] blunder@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago

Lmao best use of this emoji

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 62 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I will be recommending a BONUS of $10,000 per person for distinguished service to our Country

Not actually giving a bonus, recommending a bonus.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 33 points 5 months ago

“fuck it im feeling nice. i will STRONGLY recommend the bonus”

[–] CarbonConscious@hexbear.net 56 points 5 months ago

Patriots are in ~airtraffic~ control.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 40 points 5 months ago

i hate rich white people

i have nothing else to add.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 37 points 5 months ago

trump-anguish "I've flown thousands of times and I've never seen one, so they can't be all that important!"

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

Going to apply and get hired despite listing my only qualifications as “drinks on the job” and “has trouble with authority”

I will then both cause and sleep through the largest concentration of 9/11’s since 9/11 Two.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

One thing this shutdown showed is that noone has more power in this country than ATCs, definitely not this capitalist patsy

[–] abc@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

true patriots are in control!!!! (they're crashing planes)

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

Crashing planes into a mountainside: American tradition, as well as in other countries
Acting like you're going to crash a plane into another: extremely American
Accidentally crashing planes into each other: quite American
Crashing planes into your own aircraft carrier: American
Planes crashing into your aircraft carrier or battleship: American
Planes crashing into your large buildings: American
Crashing planes deep in the woods: okay that's Canadian-coded
Crashing planes very gently into a river: American, sullen burger best burger
Crashing planes suddenly into the ocean: Asian
Crashing planes with multiple power brokers on them: Russian

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 18 points 5 months ago

I hope these statements showing he can find money for things are argued and win the case for SNAP. Not that I expect it, but I hope it.

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago
[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago
[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

who's got the "listen up liberal" (plane crash) meme

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

frothingfash I'm sorry pilot, do you speak white? You don't sound white to me. Abort landing and go back to your woke ass shithole country!

part-of-history I'm from Texas and was born in America! This is a domestic flight.

pronouns There's that woke birthright citizenship crap again! GTFO out of my airspace!

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

freedom-and-democracy first as tragedy, then as farts

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

Gonna apply for ATC and go "I thought it meant Ain't Taking Charge?"

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

If I were ready to get back to my fed job and saw this message, I'd quit on the spot out of spite.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 3 points 5 months ago
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