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cross-posted from: https://ibbit.at/post/81808

...the agents had demanded to ride along in the ambulance en route to the hospital. The driver replied that without arrest paperwork, they were not permitted to ride along. Agents continued to insist that the vehicle would not be allowed to leave until an officer was permitted to accompany them.

“I repeated again,” the driver said in their report, “that no officer is permitted to ride in the ambulance and that they can meet us at the hospital and that we needed to be let out of the facility. Officers then began walking away from me whenever I spoke. At that point, a group of 5-8 civilian-dressed men walked into the garage and just stared at me. No identification on any of them. I walked back to the ambulance and got into the driver’s seat. I flipped the emergency lights on and put the car into drive. I inched forward slowly out of the garage.”

A man described as being in civilian clothes and a neck-wrap then stepped in front of the vehicle and ordered the ambulance not to leave, according to the report. As more agents amassed about 15 feet in front of the vehicle, the driver assumed they were preparing to escort the ambulance off the property and continued to slowly inch the vehicle forward. But agents continued to obstruct the ambulance’s path. As of 9:39, a dispatch report said there were “50-60 fed agents completely blocking the road.”

At this point, the crew member in the passenger’s seat exited the vehicle to attempt to reason with the officers. After putting the vehicle into park, the driver began to exit as well. They said that as they opened the side door, “I looked up and suddenly the entire group of officers… were crowded around the open car door, some of them leaning forward towards me, inches from my face.”

The driver recalls that an agent “pointed his finger at me in a threatening manner and began viciously yelling in my face, stating, ‘DON’T YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN, I WILL SHOOT YOU, I WILL ARREST YOU RIGHT NOW.”

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[–] squozenode@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't get the logic of slowing down with people in the way. You're in a heavy ambulance, they'll move.

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[–] Meeshall65@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

They act just like the Gestapo during naziregime: use exessive force, followvtheir hunches and will not be held accountable

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ICE is a terrorist organization ran by a criminal.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 16 points 1 day ago

IDF practices...

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 156 points 2 days ago (10 children)

This shit is just a powder keg waiting to go off. All it's going to take is one person to decide they've had enough of this in a situation like this and just floor it and run those assholes over and the whole country is going to explode. It's just a matter of time.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yeah I can't believe so many are fighting Trump by not fighting in this way. Genuinely impressed with my countrymen.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

That’s the goal. That’s what PeeWee German wants.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 114 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Exactly as Stephen Miller planned.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 82 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Yeah, I'm convinced they are actively trying to get some ICE killed so they can take the kid gloves off and go full occupying force.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

If it's not one thing it'll be another. Trump and his handlers are not going to let go of the reins now that they have them.

[–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

If people never actually resist them, they already are the full occupying force.

“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

-Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's not a popular take in doomer circles like lemmy, but I legitimately believe that there is a "bloodless" outcome that results in the right absolutely crumbling. Not only that, I believe anything less will inevitably result in this exact situation repeating itself every hundred years or so until we learn as a people how to build a sustainable, equitable society that prioritizes human dignity over greed.

We need to learn as a society how to identify and reject fascist ideologies the same way we can look at moldy food and know not to eat it. And I think the Internet may be the tool that gets us to that point.

Until we get to that point, all democracies will continue to fall victim to these types of attacks.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I legitimately believe that there is a “bloodless” outcome that results in the right absolutely crumbling.

How do you see this coming to pass?

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Probably something like economic collapse as people start checking out and stop participating in society. People just start buying, and doing less and less.

Not saying this will happen, or is even a likely outcome. Just that it is such a path.

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[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We need a society in which people are not able to obtain the kind of power that can allow for fascism to exist to begin with.

We need a hard wealth cap of something like $50 million including unrealized gains, and we need a leaderless society, where people who seek power cannot gain power. We also need all corporations to be owned by the workers and be run as democracies.

But we also need to lift up the common man by supplying all basic necessities free at the point of service, such as housing, food, water, healthcare, sewage, high speed internet, etc. along with a UBI that is livable so that people can work on the things they enjoy rather than wasting their entire lives away working for a faceless corporation for the majority of their lives.

Anything short of this will just lead right back into fascism as history has shown.

I would like to know what your idea is to get out of fascism without any kind of violence, though, because with fascism, there is no democracy available to allow for a vote to replace the fascists. Fascists are not known for willingly giving up power.

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[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago

This fucking Nazi needs to go meet Kirk in hell.

[–] paddythegeek@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is 100% the plan. It’s a ‘when’ at this point, not an ‘if’, despite the extraordinary restraint displayed when dealing with these fuckwits to date.

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[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

There's absolutely some extremists who would martyr themselves.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just saw them gas the chicago police for at least the second time while they protected ices retreat from protestors. then trump. gotta bring troops in because the chicago police aren't protecting ice. and yeah the gas was thrown as they ran away. that is how they deployed it.

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[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago

I hope people at the No King's Protest will all understand escalation is their goal, of course there's a chance Yam Tits will make a royal decree that they're all to be arrested to spark the powder keg. Which will happen cause Wormtongue, I mean Miller, says so cause evidently everything pro democracy is an insurrection in the US now.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

They want a Reichstag fire.

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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are we still pretending our Trump supporting neighbors aren't cheering this on?

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The national shitbag registry needs to be kept by whatever unions manage EMTs . These officers need to identify themselves just so their names are placed on the list and their captain can begin negotiating so that their families and home EVER get protection from fire, ambulance or cops again.

Until then, NO identified ICE member or their family gets support. Identify yourselves to distinguish yourselves or all face the same penalty. This is a targeted labour strike.

(Similarly, anyone impeding a real emergency vehicles gets on the list until a formal written apology replaces it in the file)

You do not impede real emergency vehicles just because you need to beat up and kidnap brown people.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I do like the idea of a National Shitbag Registry, so when these people move to a new neighborhood they have to go door to door warning the neighbors that they are a registered shitbag.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

EMTs and Medics typically dont have unions unless the fire dept runs EMS, and they typically treat EMS as a cash cow rather than actually representing them.

[–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would like to present the lug nut rule: The vehicle with the most lug nuts wins.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 23 hours ago

Lug nuts as a proxy for vehicle mass. I like it.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Sounds like the whole street was filled with nuts, and guns. What could possibly go wrong?

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Shooting anyone will send them straight to jail. They're carrying weapons at their own risk.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

People opposing oppressive crackdowns obviously deserve death. Fuck around and find out. /s

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Okay, what if it was someone in ICE they are responding to? Do they deny the compassion to heal wounded people just because they think a EMT might pick political sides?

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They would 100% do that if the roles were reversed, and thus they assume that yes, the EMTs would.

It is very difficult sometimes to remember these are people, too. Tells you a lot about how fucking stupid we can be.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, they think we are lying when we say we don't want to hurt them, even though we disagree with them. There is a reason they always think they are being threatened, cuz they would be threatening if they were in the same position, so they see our actions through that filter.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago

They are also fed a steady diet of lies about "left-wing terrorists".

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 4 points 2 days ago

We should strive to be better people, despite how much we dislike the organization or the people in it.

Depends. Is the EMT in question white?

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