Oh god damn it. Now when I'm all "no don't take Tylenol" people are gonna be like "what I'm not pregnant" and I'll have to be like "no you've been drinking you'll destroy your liver".
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RFK now just throwing a dart at a board of newspaper clippings and rolling with it.
Idiot eugenics
Honestly one of the least harmful things they could've pushed
I immediately assumed they were going to try and tie this to trans people, or state that it was vaccines as cover for completely removing mandates, with another possibility being that they were going to assert some explicit, racist nonsense
It does talk about natal testosterone in the paper, don't worry, I'm sure they'll be force feeding trans people some mystery drug in no time
So... we're supposed to believe a former heroin-addicted, brainworm infested "Healthcare expert" with no actual credentials.
Riiiiight.
You must suffer through the pain 
my money is on this actually being an effort to get people to use opiate based painkillers for mild to moderate pain, with the view to getting them addicted, which will make the pharmaceutical companies more money
getting the USian population addicted to opiates - trump truly is a third worldist trying to make the american century of humiliation a reality
Add that with ramping up the war on drugs, get more people in prison on drug charges, creating more slave labor.
If true that would just be one more reason for Trump to wage war on Afghanistan 
but it is probably some new expensive patented replacement drug that most people can't afford for something as essential as paracetamol.
Looks like laudanum's back on the menu, boys
Hadn’t thought about this angle… now we just have to wait on a study by a friend of the admin that states fentanyl is actually good for us.
They pulled Vioxx from the market, when it's cardiovascular safety profile is actually quite similar to other NSAID's and Tylenol. Tylenol can actually have a lot of long-term adverse effects (kidney damage, liver damage, blood pressure, ulcers, cardiovascular risk, and blood cancer), but these drugs are still on the market mostly on the understanding that you'll use them infrequently and at low doses.
Opioids generally don't have any long-term adverse affects, the risks are just addiction, overdose, and unconscious vomiting (not problems once you're successfully got off opioids). If your doctor is competent, fentanyl will indeed be safer for you. There's a reason it's used so commonly in hospitals and other medical settings. Fentanyl even has euphoria more mild than most other opioids, so it's generally not where addiction starts.
You're downplaying fentanyl's and overplaying Tylenol's problems here. For example, the latter's hepatic toxicity happens in the case of an overdose (usually intentional), and most cases are self-limited. There's also a widely available antidote.
Overdosing on fentanyl is much more likely with "correct" use, and it will also most likely kill you due to respiratory depression. It also has very relevant and common adverse effects, like hyperalgesia (making the pain worse).
There's a reason it's used so commonly in hospitals and other medical settings. Fentanyl even has euphoria more mild than most other opioids, so it's generally not where addiction starts.
Hospital use for over 2 days is widely unencouraged due to withdrawal syndrome (plus quickly inducing resistance and hyperalgesia, demanding higher doses), and we've been trying to develop ways of reducing its use for the past 10 years or so. Check out PADIS 2018
Respiratory depression long term can have severe effects on the brain and body, don't fuck with opioids.
Yeah Tylenol is a trash med that would never get approved today, especially not OTC. Unfortunately it's one of the only things they let pregnant women take for pain. We need more research into the opiate drugs, there are atypical mu agonists that actually don't carry as much addiction and overdose risk (gee I wonder why these didn't get discovered when they were looking for a replacement for heroin/morphine), kappa antagonism might be useful in chronic pain, and delta agonists seems promising as well.
Opioid pharma companies were a big cause of the opioid epidemic no doubt, but the government response is what's made it so dire. They just cut a whole bunch of peoples safe opioid supplies, so people could either go into withdrawal, or start using non-pharma drugs. Letting pharma opioids continue what they were doing probably would have, funnily enough, saved many peoples lives.
Over-prescribing painkillers wouldn't be great, but it won't turn catastrophic until someone tries to do a drug crackdown. There's also been a lot of successful anti-opioid propaganda, to the point where I've had friends decide to just bear through the pain rather than accept a 5m oxycodone from the doctor.
I doubt that Tylenol has anything to do with Autism, though. It seems extremely unlikely. And there's still plenty of non-opioid painkillers left after they get rid of Tylenol, Tylenol is just the common one because it's side effects aren't terrible.
I think it might be simpler than that. It might just be "women ought to suffer more" because the cruelty is often the point with the far right.
But these particular fascists are way too greedy for there to not be a replacement drug they're pushing, tbh. This is either about making pregnant women suffer or about pushing a different drug to somehow make them more money, and my money's also on the greed here.
if they'd allow me to pick up some codeine from the gas station i might be alright with it
I just commented the same thing elsewhere lmao. With america, you have to first think of the most evil possibility
But without Afghanistan growing opium anymore how will they profit?
Trump did say last week that he wants to retake the former US air base outside Kabul
Until they get their billion dollar kickback, right? Then it'll be something else.
They probably getting money from someone else already. What are the Tylenol alternatives in the US? And I'll be so surprised if those alternatives come from the same labs that produce the stuff they tried to push for covid.
Tylenol's active ingredient is acetaminophen and there are tons of other brands (like Excedrin) and generics that use it.
Acetaminophen is like the most basic headache/fever med. Unless there's some mystery ingredient that Tylenol has, i find it interesting the government is going after them specifially.
Watch the solution be pushing certain opioids on pregnant women. Babies being born addicted? That's a trillion dollar opportunity right there!
Is it Tylenol specifically or a genericide thing; Tylenol/Kleenex/Band-Aid?
Call me a cynic but if it was something obvious like Tylenol that was the cause of autism wouldn't they have spotted that link decades ago?
AFAIK the only really good link they’ve ever found is exposure to air pollution in vivo, but they’ll never talk about that
This didn't get a lot of traction when I posted it in c/podcasts: https://hexbear.net/post/6209129 Science Vs did an episode this week about this "link," and from what it looks like, it's actually a false positive due to these other studies not having access to genetic information about the mothers.
Turns out (as we've known for a long time), if you have autism or ADHD, you are VERY LIKELY to pass that on to your children, something like 70% chance to do so, and apparently women who are autistic experience more pain during pregnancy than other women, which leads to them more frequently taking Tylenol.
Listen to the podcast, or read their transcript for more information; it's only 30 minutes long. The transcript has citations.
My problem is that this is simply too much thinking required for the average American
including an August review by researchers from Harvard University and Mount Sinai hospital – that suggested a possible link between Tylenol use early in pregnancy and an increased risk of autism in children.
They're citing "Evaluation of the evidence on acetaminophen use and neurodevelopmental disorders using the Navigation Guide methodology"
It's the only time Trump has ever listened to a climate scientist using a methodology meant to address systemic bias and the squandering of money meant for the Clean Air Act.
At a glance, given ~10 minutes scratching at the surface, I don't see anything awry about the citation, the primary author, or the methodology. It's usually enough for me to go "oh, they're being foolish." All I could say is that I wouldn't base policy on research that came out a month ago until the author's peers get a chance to sink their teeth into it.
At a glance, given ~10 minutes scratching at the surface, I don't see anything awry about the citation, the primary author, or the methodology. It's usually enough for me to go "oh, they're being foolish." All I could say is that I wouldn't base policy on research that came out a month ago until the author's peers get a chance to sink their teeth into it.
The biggest problem is that the study is based on a small scale meta data analysis, which has a really hard time establishing causation vs correlation. The second biggest problem is the person who did the study is an expert witness in a lawsuit against Johnson and johnson over the very same topic and has already had previous testimony excluded from the trial.
Definitely needs a peer review and further research to establish anything close to causation. At this point it could just be that women in the third trimester who experience prolonged or bad fevers have a greater chance at giving birth to someone with autism. Or it could be that women who have better access to neonatal and gynecological care good enough to collect umbilical samples, also have enough resources to have their children diagnosed for autism later in life.
The amount of people who will just eat this up, man. The number of times I'm gonna have to watch some apparently "normal" guy say in the most confident yet casual tone of voice "tylenol causes autism" like it's a fundamental, real thing. I think that's what's getting to me the most about all this, especially with the Kirk thing recently - it's not just chuds who are parroting whatever the Trump regime says, it's also supposed normies who somehow still just go along with whatever CURRENT_ADMINISTRATION says like it's the sum combination of both human knowledge and good intentions.
No critical thinking, no contextual awareness. Just rolling with it, head empty.
Tylenol is a brand name. It is not a drug. You can't "take Tylenol." They have, roughly, 50 different products.
I would say these people are idiots, but I had my doctor tell me to "take Benadryl" and it was that same shit: BENADRYL IS A BRAND NAME. LIKE NIKE. OR PEPSI. DO YOU MEAN DIPHENHYDRAMINE? LORATADINE? CERTIZINE?
I hear you, but to be perfectly honest, this comment is not accurate. It is not at all like saying Nike. While Nike is the company that makes the shoes, Tylenol is not the company that makes name-branded acetaminophen. Benadryl is not the name of a company. The company name is Johnson and Johnson, or it used to be before some sort of bullshit "corporate reorganizing" or something.
Anyway, Tylenol and Benadryl are names for the drugs, they're just the names the corporation that had a stranglehold on their sale (aka "patent") chose to give them and not let anyone else use. It sucks that capitalists get to make these decisions, but tylenol and benadryl really are valid names for those drugs as sold by the company that patented them. Their generic names, acetaminophen/paracetamol and diphenhydramine can be used by any manufacturer that makes them, so the medical community tends to use those because it works in all cases. All benadryl is diphenhydramine but not all diphenhydramine is benadryl. Still, there is nothing inaccurate about a doctor writing a prescription for benadryl (well, other than the fact it's over-the-counter and no prescription is needed, but you know what I mean).
Loratadine and certazine are completely different drugs, they are different compounds and do not refer to the compund that is the drug benadryl aka diphenhydramine. Loratadine and certazine are the generic names for the brand named drugs claratin and zyrtec, respectively
Ambien is the name of a drug whose generic name is Zolpidem. Xanax is the name of a drug whose generic name is alprazolam. These aren't misnomers.
Tylenol and Benadryl are names for the drugs,
that's not true. they're brand names. they have ~50 different products. Benadryl, admittedly, has way more products than Tylenol. regardless, it's not all ace and not all diphen.
is it really that big of an ask for a doctor to prescribe medication and not a corporate brand name? especially when it comes to one's health?
regardless, it's not all ace and not all diphen.
It is though. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. For a product to be sold as Tylenol, the main active ingredient legally must be acetaminophen. Tylenol products can contain other ingredients, but acetaminophen must be the primary active component to be labeled and marketed as tylenol. This is true of benadryl always having to have as the main ingredient diphenhydramine.
is it really that big of an ask for a doctor to prescribe medication and not a corporate brand name?
In a better world, we wouldn't have corporate brand names at all. But a doctor using such a name (in the world we live) is not misusing the name.
For a product to be sold as Tylenol, the main active ingredient legally must be acetaminophen. Tylenol products can contain other ingredients, but acetaminophen must be the primary active component to be labeled and marketed as tylenol. This is true of benadryl always having to have as the main ingredient diphenhydramine.
this is not true. idk exactly what you mean by "labeled and marketed as tylenol" but just using those terms generally - it's not true.
or conversely, if it is true - then there's a lot of Tylenol and Benadryl that's violating the law at all my local stores.
I don't know what to tell you because it very much is true. What are the stores near you selling that they are calling Tylenol but that does not have acetaminophen as the primary ingredient? If you go buy a drug from them that is labeled Tylenol and it does not have acetaminophen as the main ingredient, then you could probably make a lot of money suing whoever it was in the distribution chain that changed and mislabeled a drug.
I’ve had different doctors refer to drugs by brand and generic names. Those that use generic names tend to also emphasize to buy generic due to price point.
if your doctor tells you to take benadryl then they obviously mean diphenhydramine. if your doctor tells you to take tylenol, they obviously mean acetaminophen.
are you not from the US and then moved here or something? I agree it’s a weird facet of our culture that we refer to drugs with corpo brand names but it isn’t nearly as confusing as you’re making it out to be rn, tho.
people in the US historically are dumb and uneducated. the doctors got into a habit of just telling people “go take some tylenol” bc it’s what you’d see in the store. the box says tylenol in big letters, not acetaminophen… it’s for that simple reason, really.
the big pharma companies here know this cultural practice though and their packages are designed accordingly, for the most part. you’re virtually never going to see a drug that’s not acetaminophen packaged in a container with the tylenol brand strewn across it.
generally disagree with a lot of the assertions you wrote, but also irrelevant. ultimately when it comes to my (or anyone's) health i want precision and specificity i don't want corporate names/logos from a lazy idiot doctor.
i haven’t much really asserted anything here it was more just an objective take on how american english and our pharamaceutical culture work. i concur it’s obtuse in many respects but that is how it works here, it wasn’t really an agree/disagree thing… unless you are trying to say american english doesn’t work like this and everyone doesn’t get along knowing what each other means just fine. i don’t think that’s the case bc you start talking about values after, which like. idk what to say man, i agree it’d be better if everyone was more precise in their communication. communication sciences are really complicated and that isn’t really a simple problem to solve in the abstract like that, tho.
i don’t think doctors are idiots moreso they’re profit-motivated and exist in a system that is inherently hostile to the patient. imo that’s worse than being an idiotic bc i’m of the opinion that pretty much every doctor and nurse involved in the american healthcare system is breaking their hippocratic oath by working in the exploitive system they do, in part explicitly bc of shit like this, but that’s another deal entirely.
WaPo more like WaPOS. No evidence of APAP causing autism.
First teased it during Charlie Kirk's funeral of all places because Cubism reflected reality better than the current political administration.
Pretty sure my mum took anti-inflammatory drugs like tylenol during her pregnancy there chief and I'm not autistic.
acetaminophen? really? i mean if you set out to find a boogeyman for the "autism crisis" then i guess you have to pin it on something but like acetaminophen? at least make it something more exotic