Interesting to note that the teens and young adults who overthrew the government elected their new prime minister on Discord, and the military acknowledged the election and put the winner in place.

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 114 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I think the reason most of us haven't said much about this is that if you've been around for a while (especially since the Arab Spring) you'll remember tons of movements that looked very similar to this and didn't produce the kinds of populist results some alt media types always say they will. I genuinely hope for the best for them, but clearly the recent precedent, especially for these kinds of "horizontal" movements, is that they get co-opted by NGOs and turned into pro-western, liberal states, if not just collapsing right back into what they had before.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 68 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, disorganisation like this is the western colour revolutionist's best friend, their second best friend is western social media tools being used in all their organising.

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

Literally holding their vote on a western intelligence controlled platform (discord). Clown hours. CIA could have spun up tens of thousands of persona management bot profiles run by 20 people in army psyops to influence that in no time at all to say nothing of just straight up altering the vote totals.

[–] xarm@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There are steps being planned to get off discord. The lightning fast development had prevented any immediate influence from foreign power but the flood of bot account has started. Now all invite links are temporarily disabled and just the current insulated server should be fine for a while.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, this is a strange event, very unique, it has all the superstructure of western colour revolutions, but none of the calling cards or hallmarks, it's a very unique event. I hope things work out well for the people.

[–] xarm@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Instead of being a unique event, it might just be one of the first. All the 'strange event' are just the things we noticed from previous color revolution. But that does not make those revolution any 'less' revolution for the people. People from surrounding countries being inspired and imitating such revolution is not really surprising event.

Using instagram to organize, discord to discuss and Facebook to share also seem less weird if looking from the perspective of Gen z. They are using the tools available to them to achieve their goal, unaware about the dangers inherent to such tools.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It is just very unusual to see something that, if in almost any other circumstance, would be concrete evidence of a US colour revolution, but doesn't seem to actually be the case here. It's like using an oven to cool food down instead of heat it up, it's just so different to how things normally go. I do hope this is the first of many such situations, the tools of empire being used against them would be fantastic. But I'm still skeptical, it's always a risk when they use tools that could so easily be co-opted. I hope that this isn't the case.

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn't read If We Burn to not learn from it.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

My proudest moment in a while was sharing a pirated copy with some college kids that were in the right path but were definitely in need of a little examination on what kinds of movements would be effective. I even tried to even it out a bit by saying that decentralized authority and defence of a revolution is possible and forms of it exist with Rojava and the Zapatistas, but the idea of a completely non-hierarchical, nonviolent populist movement is bait.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

If i had a book to recommend to pretty much anyone calling themselves a leftist even if they arent is that one. Not cause its like the best theory stuff or whatever, but so people who haven't read theory may think twice before fucking it up for the rest of us. It's actually a really easy thing to explain to aplotical normies. Ive expressed this concern at work and have basically phrased it as "they overthrew the government before figuring out how to replace it and generally the last people you want in charge are the most prepared to fill that void." Don't rob a bank without a plan, dont use your tongue to stop a fan. It's common fucking sense really.

[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dude I remember back in the cth days that Rojava was like fucking ancom candy. Seemed like every other post had something to do with Rojava.

[–] WildWeezing420@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

It's candy cause it's a left-aesthetic that isn't demonized by their media apparatuses (because it's pro-American). The radlibs wanna be left, but they have been legitimately brainwashed by American media and cannot break from it

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[–] WildWeezing420@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Rojava was a US-backed front for American occupation and oil theft, who are now allied with the ISIS-Al Qaeda Zionist government. Not a great example.

Also, both Rojava and this are incredibly violent. Rojava ethnically cleansed many arabs, and these protests were burning down residential buildings and killing the wife of the PM as well as clashing with security forces. Funny how pro-west movements never get called "violent" even when they are using snipers

[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh absolutely, I just thought "fucking of course they did" when I read a bunch of gen zs used discord to elect a prime minister. Cool as shit, honestly.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please don't use discord to coup a government

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

7000 people voted in that "election" I bet 70% of them are bots

[–] xarm@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes I also hope for the best here, but just being some form of inspiration for youth worldwide is fine for me.

Getting co-opted by NGOs and turning into pro-western, liberal state is not really a downgrade from before since that was the situation before the revolution.

Nepal has been a playing field for US and India, and with the increasing influence of US (accepting MCC by govt) things were bound to explode.

Every surrounding counties are getting unstable, and just being done with whole thing feels peaceful now. the government being. overthrown by people's movement is such a relief since the alternative movement was going to be pro-Monarchy. there is a hope for left now, a leftist revolution overthrowing the 'Nepal Communist Party - United Marxist-Leninist' was just not possible.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 88 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

A government tried to ban social media and then a spontaneous uprising quickly installed a new prime minister using social media. I'm not going to speculate because I don't know enough about the situation (or Nepal in general tbh), but just those basic facts are concerning imo

[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Elections on social media? I'm out glhf

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[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 70 points 2 months ago (3 children)

if I'm ever in a revolution, and I see a westerner hyping it up like an avengers or a fast and furious movie, I'm going to kill myself.

[–] SovietBeerTruckOperator@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

Better hope this site gets taken down before any revolution you're in then.

[–] xarm@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Just overthrow the government when they are sleeping lol

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

In that case its a color revolution and you need to go for another overthrow

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

well nepal clearly wasn't ready for revolution either because this entire thing hinges on the assent of the military.

which yeah, probably means the military is scared of the movement and doesn't think they could outright rule with opposition, but it totally rules out comparison to more militaristic nations. a thermonuclear weapon being used on DC is more likely than the JCS assenting to an informal election following a mob unseating the US government

[–] xarm@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Nepal Army might have been the only capable institution and the only one to suffer no damage. They were and are the most respected institution even now.

Executive, Legislative and Judiciary structure all were target to some extend. So military was forced to intervene and could have absolutely taken power (on pretense of temporary solution) but instead immediately approached the disorganized masses to ask for our representative. That was a major reason for the quick formation of a unified front since we had one day to present our representative. The use of discord was also for same reason. Everything was moving very fast and we used tools that were immediately available to us

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

i'm not trying to be a dick but the military can bide their time until it's settled down and utilize the irregular mode of voting to make the election invalid.

that will be acceptable to the UN unless the new government cozies up enough to china to receive their SC veto

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[–] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

I think Lenin did say that brevity is the soul of revolution.

[–] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that just make it military rule with a publicly acceptable face?

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In a way, all rule is military rule.

Slightly more seriously, it would only be "military rule" if the military selected the prime minister, in my opinion.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

all political shit flows out of the barrel of the military

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Where do folks find reliable English language information about what has been happening in Nepal?

[–] xarm@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

There are not really reliable sources available, even the Nepali media feels off

I only trust news from three sources for now

Nepal Army
Gen-Z movement official channel (fb, insta, discord)
RONB - fb page

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

mostly from 2 nepalis i follow in twitter pre-mass protests

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

@xarm@hexbear.net is our resident nepali afaik

[–] Tormato@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

What are good sources to read about this?

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Didn't they burn a woman alive?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

She was supposedly in the house that was burned. We have zero confirmation, and zero confirmation that this is an organic protest.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

confirmation that this is an organic protest

I am very skeptical of the movement, but what would a confirmation of its authenticity look like?

While we're at it, I think part of the problem with these very decentralized/spontaneous movements is that a genuine, organic one is completely indistinguishable from one that is infiltrated and manipulated by bad actors. Euromaidan is a perfect example: whatever organic grassroots support the movement had at first got transmuted into a fascist coup and the structure stayed the same so it never lost legitimacy in the eyes of Western media (well, maybe part of the problem is that Western media loves nazis)

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah ok good to know it hasn't been confirmed. As usual, the organic nature is complicated. Of course the protesters have some legitimate concerns but there is also always foreign NGOs influencing and hoping to get a certain outcome that benefits western nations

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 2 months ago

Chatgpt pol certainly is SUS af

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Organic protests are a bad idea.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Occupy Nepal Street

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why?

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[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

Neither the government nor the protesters were exactly peaceful, dozens died and hundreds are still hospitalized. A lot more protesters died than any other group, though.

[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, this is honestly the first I've heard of it. I just thought it was funny they used Discord to do the election.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Yeah we have a Nepalese news mega poster who has been updating about it there.

I saw an article yesterday about ex PMs wife getting burned to death in a building

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

NSFW (text, no visuals) violence tag:

spoiler

Watched a video of a Nepalese man scoop the brains of a dead man into his hand and hold it in front of security forces, screaming at them to stop the violence. It was one of the most hideous and heartbreaking things you can see.

I do not see the vast cohort of Burgers doing that level of shit anytime soon.

[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Burgerreichers want nothing more than to have a liberal enough government that they can sleep politically, watch TV, eat burger

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