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Charlie Kirk has never received a warm welcome in the pages of this magazine. It doesn’t matter now. The assassination of Kirk is a tragedy. Morally, it is unjustifiable. Politically, it is cause for serious alarm. A larger spiral into political violence would be a catastrophe for the Left.

As of the time of this writing, no one knows the shooter’s ideology or motivations. But some key points are clear enough.

No one should be killed as punishment for political expression, no matter how objectionable. In addition to our basic abhorrence of violence, we are also proponents of democracy, which depends on free speech and open inquiry. Without them, collective self-governance is impossible and tyranny becomes inevitable. Imposing silence on political opponents by brute force, whether in the form of state crackdowns on dissent or lone-wolf assassinations of leaders, undermines a principle that democratic socialists have always held dear.

also we suck shit

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 106 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am gonna get so much milage out of this one.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It wouldn't bother me if the libs were just doing some "we don't condone political violence" bs (even they condone political violence everyday). Its typical lib hypocrisy and civility fetishizing.

What drives me nuts is not pretending like Kirk was a fascist pos and its good he's dead. Its good when your enemies die. Wring your hands about how it happened. Finger wag about people celebrating. You're libs its what you're going to do. But calling his death a tragedy???

I fucking hate liberals. Even more when they pretend to "leftists" like these fools

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah they acting like Hillary wasn't jolly with the "we came we saw" girlbossing a nation now in absolute ruins. Yeah some worthless chud died but wasn't hillary laughing at generations of Libyan lives being ruined?

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No one should be killed as punishment for political expression, no matter how objectionable. In addition to our basic abhorrence of violence, we are also proponents of democracy, which depends on free speech and open inquiry. Without them, collective self-governance is impossible and tyranny becomes inevitable.

Fucking lol, imagine being this clueless. Your opponents don't in fact give a damn about free speech and open inquiry, you should never let them speak freely.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just escalate these talking points to the stratosphere as soon as I hear them. "Oh, so given the opportunity you wouldn't kill Hitler in 1930? When would it be okay? '33 when the concentration camps open? '38 with the forced annexation of the sudetenland? '39 with the invasion of Poland?"

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm sure a lib would still say ”violence is never the answer” pearl-clutch

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[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Charlie Kirk has never received a warm welcome in the pages of this magazine... until now!

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

TBH, he did become a good fascist.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 week ago
[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago

The man was a talking head for numerous think tanks and government agencies. Who gives a fuck.

Jacobin yet again being liberals.

[–] GeckoChamber@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The solidarity of the political class is pretty impressive tbh

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

No one writing for jacobin is a part of the political class lol, much less ben burgis who's biggest achievement was going on joe rogan once

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

There is a clear and obvious response to "political violence" pearl clutching:

Yes, political violence is bad, but better this happen to politicians and pundits than to the innocent schoolchildren.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ben Burgis

lol it's the "GiVe ThEm An ArGuMeNt!" loser

[–] CeliacMcCarthy@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

ben when someone gives them a high velocity argument: shocked-pikachu

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

He's been making this same argument for years at this point, and the fascists are as bold as ever, despite libs running with his playbook.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As I look at the life of Kirk, he was a husband, a father, and what else I do not know. He had friends, I am sure. He played a significant role in his connection with the community, which was personal and also collective. But the problem I would have in affirming this life at an end-of-life ceremony is that he evidently did not care in his living about the security and comfort of others. He did not show empathy. Whether he believed what he espoused, or it was simply a marketing ploy for influence and money, I don’t know, and no one will ever know for sure. But Charlie Kirk expanded hatred, marketed the vile speech of old racism in new wineskins, and further jeopardized the lives and security of others.

Graylan Scott Hagler is an advisor with FOR-USA and the founder and president of Faith Strategies USA. Until retiring from his position in 2022, Hagler was Senior Minister at Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ in Washington, D.C.

compare and contrast

[–] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Whether he believed what he espoused, or it was simply a marketing ploy for influence and money, I don’t know

Imagine believing there's any material difference between these. If you act exactly like a nazi people are going to rightfully call you a fucking nazi, who cares what you "truly believe"

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

obv christians would be "what about intent tho" , still for minister this is like "what a piece of shit, huh, hope family would be okay"

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Given the next sentence, I think his point was that it doesn't especially matter.

No one should be killed as punishment for political expression, no matter how objectionable

doubt

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

Charlie Kirk got hard powered and the purveyors of soft power are very on edge about it.

People need to make a list of every "leftist" writing shit like this because they can not be trusted.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

soooo many influencers just saw a glorified podcaster get merked and realized that actions can, occasionally, have consequences. Chickens came home to roost

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What norms? Was Kirk going to be jailed under any law? No. This is the only way to cancel and deplatform him permanently given the circumstances.

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 week ago

DSA's chief propaganda organ out here reaffirming their commitment to rolling over and showing their bellies to fascism at the first opportunity.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago

THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN FACT CHECKED BY REAL MARXIST PATRIOTS

nope nope nope

FALSE

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

he was simply out competed in the marketplace of ideas
emilie-shrug

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He was a full-throated supporter of an American Years of Lead, and couldn't take the heat when the Years of Lead fully supported his throat

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

folded on the gun debate after a spirited showing

And spewed vile filth until his very last

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

His org was involved in Jan 6th, something that libs supposedly care about as a threat to Burgerland democracy.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Morally is probably the best way to justify it actually. Because obviously shooting the presidents fascist propagandist is a crime, and it's not clear that leftists or rightists benefit in particular.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

DSA libs basically worship this magazine

[–] TheDeed@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Lmfao this tracks, in 2020 I canceled my DSA membership and my Jacobin subscription at the same time

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This isn't even good for optics, it makes them look cynical.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is the magazine which used to correct interviewers who asked them "Why are you named Jacobin? Weren't they a bunch of head chopping lunatics?" and be like "Actually, we're named after the Black Jacobins" (who's "reign of terror" was far more comprehensive, but this was also a funny rhetorical trick because the interviewers don't know shit about Haiti and would be like "huh. interesting.").

This shit is absolutely pathetic. Infatuated with the aesthetic of revolution, but shitting their pants and running for the hills at the first sight of blood. They don't have to fucking celebrate or anything. Just publish an obituary listing the man's "greatest hits." Lead the audience to the conclusion that he got what he fucking had coming to him. Or say nothing.

Just change the name to Girondin at this point.

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[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

Guys imagine a right wing that feels emboldened in America. Imagine that

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 points 1 week ago
[–] Civility@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh my god, are you ok? I heard you died!

Edit: nvm, turns out some Nazi dipshit ate it

[–] NinaPasadena@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

No one should be killed as punishment for political expression

Just goes to highlight the line the author has for what counts as political expression. To them calling for the deaths of trans/brown/immigrants/ etc people is political expression. Not good for killing. I assume at some point the author tho would make an exception. If Kirk called specifically for the authors death (on the basis of some political belief) would that merely be political expression ? Or would've that crossed a line where Kirk could be punished?

Classic well he wasn't mean to me so obviously it was fine.

classic

[–] S4ck@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

It makes me sad that Michael Brooks liked this guy.

[–] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

again I must ask

"would be a catastrophe for the Left"

proper noun Left - What left? Who? This is bad for people in the United States, yes, because of whatever retribution the Right will extract from the most vulnerable people in the country. But the Right is real, an actual movement, the Left does not exist. What exactly does this author think they are referring to? There is no left-wing movement in the US with any legitimacy or cohesion. Why are they constantly lying to us and themselves

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Why are they constantly lying to us and themselves

  1. they have fallen for the liberal idea that anyone who isn't a Republican is a communist/"rAdIcAl lEfT lOonY"

  2. they know they are lying and push the above because they're aligned with the fascists

  3. they are a dum dum

[–] diego_maradona@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

jacobin editorial 10 years from now: [Earth on Fire]it seems clear the only path forward is through the Democratic Party.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You have to feel like this is somewhat out of fear of retaliation from the government

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago

They so desperately wish

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