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[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 43 points 4 days ago (3 children)

this is a shitpost, but Scandinavian anthropology really shows how the land gave rise to a remarkable culture. Some historians conceive of them as the final terminus of the ancient silk road, which makes sense from all the distant imported goods fond in prehistoric scandinavia, such as silks, jade Buddhas, islamic artifacts. In order to be able to trade at such an extent, they must've had something that foreigners wanted. There was a well established network of north-sea traders long before the viking period, due in large part to their development in an environment where maritime travel was far faster than land travel in any direction. they probably perceived the world map in terms of traveling time, and the east coast of Britain was therefore far closer than their neighbors 50 miles away. Their trading was unique in that it wasn't simply organized to exchange foreign goods. it was also a sophisticated network of domestic trade, across political boundaries of Scandinavia, with petty kingdoms being able to command and distribute an oversized economy that funneled goods from the hinterlands into exchange, and vice versa

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Back in uni I studied the Samanid dynasty in Iran, specifically numismatics (coins), and the vast majority of Samanid gold dirhams from mints all over their realm are found in coin hordes in Scandinavia, because it was the final terminus of most of the Samanid's trade routes. Like hundreds and hundreds of hordes of coins all across the Islamic world are found in Scandinavia, it's pretty insane. It's like the primary source for early Islamic numismatics!

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago

It’s pretty amazing how things can be preserved in the periphery like that. Culture as well. Some fashion rises in the core trickles out to the fringe, then changes in the core but is preserved in the fringe.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Can second it. Sure, they’re “western” but I find Scandinavian culture to be very fascinating.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

The western cultures were the first victims of “western civilization”

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Any good resources you'd point toward?

[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Children of Ash and Elm is a somewhat general audience book. Author's expertise in archeology, and it's received it's share of criticism for fumbles when he talks outside of his expertise, but nearly all experts still give it a positive reception.

libgen

Review

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Did some evening courses on history and one of the professors was on the cutting edge climate history (Fredrik Charpentier Ljungqvist). Most of his books are only available in Swedish but if you're interested in climate history then he contributed to an anthology called "Nordic Climate Histories". Most of Sweden used to be plains with a lot of cattle, but it collapsed somewhere before the 'Migration Period' and the landscape became covered in forests instead. Anyway, Finland is notable for being area where people became settled farmers with the worst circumstances for farming in the world. Why they decided to become farmers is kind of baffling to historians. Just Sisu and stubbornness? Who knows.

And most societies, before steam trains, were tied together via sea/river routes. Look at the Mediterranean for example, Carthage makes a lot more sense if you consider that it was easier to go from Tunisia to Sardinia than to go 100 miles inland.

[–] lurkerlady@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

im colorblind and this map is straight up impossible to read

same. looks like everywhere is bad except hungary, france and northern italy

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I remember I used to watch a small YouTuber called I think Black Bolshevik, who was from the Bahamas and who once made an in-depth video showing clips from and analyzing a documentary about food independence or food sovereignty in his country, and the various ingenious techniques that Bahamian farmers were developing or utilizing to increase the country's self-sufficiency in food despite the poor soil and very small amount of arable land. And I really wish I could rewatch that video, because Black Bolshevik apparently deleted his channel and that video hasn't been reposted anywhere. I did eventually manage to find what appears to be a different documentary about farming in the Bahamas, but that one seems to be much more focused on conventional farming techniques.

Anyways, point is that I do think that Norway could and must become a lot more self-sufficient in terms food. As it stands I could see a socialist Norway going the way of the DPRK, which you might be aware is also a highly mountainous country with issues around having little arable land and poor soil, and which suffered greatly from losing access to food imports. For that matter Norway's situation could also be compared to the Faroe Islands, where many store shelves went completely empty last year during a strike which encompassed 10% of the population — and the store shelves going empty was specifically a result of the Faroes' extreme reliance on food imports from Denmark, their colonial masters.

So Norway could learn from the DPRK and from countries like the Bahamas as said when it comes to food self-sufficiency. I think some key points are to demolish unnecessary infrastructure built over what could be arable land, this includes a lot of military and car infrastructure; to do what's possible to improve soil quality; to end terrestrial animal husbandry/agriculture except reindeer, and develop aquaculture beyond fish; and to embrace polyculture and urban agriculture. I don't necessarily have faith that Norway could grow all of its own food at this point, but it could grow Enough of its own food to be able to Mostly withstand a situation like economic isolation.

But I'm not an expert on agriculture, of course. I do if nothing else get the impression that food self-sufficiency is something that a lot of left-wing organizations in Norway focus on to some extent, there's an organization I know of called Landbruksalliansen (lit. The Agricultural Alliance, rebranding from Alliansen Ny Landbrukspolitikk, lit. The Alliance [for a] New Agricultural Policy, abbrev. ANL). Their website is landbruksalliansen.no but be warned that it's not secure.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

if you have fresh water and the energy to do basic earthworks like swales and whatnot, one can always configure a landscape to support the people who work it with a balanced diet.

the descriptor of "poor" soils is an artifact of export-based economic thinking, and in my opinion, is a measure of how much capital it would take for someone to move in and go completely ham on a simple colonial/plantation style monocrop production system.

for example, the soils of the amazon are generally described as "poor".

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

Great addition!

[–] Tommasi@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

Extremely inefficient use of land for animal fodder is such a huge problem. It's especially frustrating in Norway because a lot of the non-arable land is great for grazing and could contribute to self-sufficiency without occupying the very scarce arable land, but it's more profitable for farmers to use industrial animal food.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't landbruk also mean agriculture?

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

...Oh yeah. That was an embarrassing brainfart!

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago

Hunter gathers actually lived in highly complicated and managed systems with nature. For most of history they lived better than agricultural peoples. It wasn't untill middle agriculture that it was in and way more efficient. Most hunting and gathering was low intensity agricultural. For thousands of years people slowly tended the plants and animals of the environment. The system just didn't allow for population density which may or may not have been historically important for societal development.

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Wdym "civilization" they have, like, one village

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I remember shortly after Daesh's attack on Paris in November of 2015, that I saw a like Tumblr post with a list of major cities where Daesh Might™ be planning their next attack. It must've been this one:

versace-g0ld:PLEASE READ:
I don’t care if this ruins your blog and doesn’t fit with the theme. YOU HAVE TO REBLOG THIS; you could save a life, and that this moment, it’s really important that you do that.
It is said to be that ISIS have announced that their next targets are ROME, WASHINGTON and LONDON. If you’re in ANY major city, PLEASE be careful and alert to what is around you. I understand that leaving may not be a solution for when things start to go south, but if and when they do, please stay inside. The cities are no longer safe, the world is broken and I can’t stress how important this is. I am begging you, please stay safe.
MAJOR CITIES:
Tokyo, Japan
New York, USA
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Mexico City, Mexico
Manila, Philippines
Mumbai/Delhi, India
Jakarta, Indonesia
Lagos, Nigeria
Kolkata, India
Cairo, Egypt
Los Angeles, USA
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Moscow, Russia
Shanghai, China
Karachi , Pakistan
Paris, France
Istanbul, Turkey
Nagoya,Japan
Beijing, China
Chicago, USA
London, UK
Shenzhen, China
Essen/Düsseldorf, Germany
Tehran, Iran
Bogota, Colombia
Lima, Peru
Bangkok, Thailand
Johannesburg/East Rand, South Africa
Chennai, India
Taipei, Taiwan
Baghdad, Iraq
Santiago, Chile
Bangalore, India
Hyderabad, India
St Petersburg, Russia
Philadelphia, USA
Lahore, Pakistan
Kinshasa, Congo
Miami, USA
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Madrid, Spain
Tianjin, China
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Toronto, Canada
Milan, Italy
Shenyang, China
Dallas/Fort Worth, USA
Boston, USA
Belo Horizonte, Brazil
Khartoum, Sudan
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Singapore, Singapore
Washington DC, USA
Detroit, USA
Barcelona, Spain
Houston, USA
Athens, Greece
Berlin, Germany
Sydney, Australia
Atlanta, USA
Guadalajara, Mexico
San Francisco/Oakland , USA
Montreal, Canada
Monterey, Mexico
Melbourne, Australia
Ankara, Turkey
Recife, Brazil
Phoenix/Mesa, USA
Durban South, Africa
Porto Alegre, Brazil
Dalian, China
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Seattle, USA
Cape Town, South Africa
San Diego, USA
Fortaleza, Brazil
Curitiba, Brazil
Rome, Italy
Naples Italy
Minneapolis/St. Paul, USA
Tel Aviv , Israel
Birmingham, UK
Frankfurt, Germany
Lisbon, Portugal
Manchester, UK
San Juan, Puerto Rico
Katowice, Poland
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Fukuoka, Japan
Baku/Sumqayit, Azerbaijan
St. Louis, USA
Baltimore, USA
Sapporo, Japan
Tampa/St. Petersburg, USA
Taichung, Taiwan
Warsaw, Poland
Denver, USA
Cologne/Bonn, Germany
Hamburg, Germany
Dubai, UAE
Pretoria, South Africa
Vancouver, Canada
Beirut, Lebanon
Budapest, Hungary
Cleveland, USA
Pittsburgh, USA
Campinas, Brazil
Harare, Zimbabwe
Brasilia, Brazil
Kuwait, Kuwait
Munich Germany
Portland, USA
Brussels, Belgium
Vienna, Austria
San Jose, USA
Damman, Saudi Arabia
Copenhagen, Denmark
Brisbane, Australia
Riverside/San Bernardino, USA
Cincinnati, USA
Accra, Ghana
Stockholm, Sweden
Helsinki, Finland
Oslo, Norway
Reykjavik, Iceland
Amsterdam, Neatherlands
Please guys, reblog this out of love and respect.
*There will be posts on first aid following shortly too*
**Also tagging my usual tags to raise more awareness**
Source: http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/isis-islamic-state-threatens-claims-more-europe-terrorism-attacks-suicide-bombing-paris-london-rome-washington-is-burning-france-england-italy-united-states-terrorism-tweets-twitter-by-isis/
(via roma-mars-amor-deactivated20200)

And I remember basically thinking after reading that list, "Oslo's a major city? ISIS considers Oslo to be a major city? Ohmygosh thank you ISIS, it means a lot!"

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago

paralyzing the economy by getting whitey to stay home

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is this data right? wales while being pretty mountainous still as plenty of arable land

[–] built_on_hope@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

Almost all land in the UK has been destroyed in terms of soil quality from centuries of enclosures, overfarming, forest clearing, and sheep raising. There being arable land doesn’t mean the soil quality is good, it just means the economic conditions still make enough sense for the land to be used as farmland even if loads of fertilisers and machinery are needed to keep it viable. The biodiversity is absolute dog shit compared to other countries.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

it's not a measurement of arability, just a relative quality of the soil (though 0 is probably not arable)

And the same with the Welsh and Galicians

[–] ValarieLenin@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago

Acting like they aren't surrounded by fish...

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

Slava ukraini 🌞🌾