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We automated plumbing. It's called plumbing.
Same deal for laundry, dishes, farming-- there's so much stuff where human labor has been almost entirely eliminated, and people still bitch about the tiny remaining fraction. Ugh, you have to put the dishes in the box that effortlessly cleans them, and then take them out? That's bullshit. Where's my robot maid!
“Be kind to people, be ruthless to systems.” Systems includes the robots as far as I am concerned.
Systems include plumbing!
The first casualty of a good meal.
I never heard that quote, where is it from?
Looks like it's from the late great Michael Brooks
You betcha.
The dishwasher (robot) is insufficiently subservient. That's why you have to put LLMs in all the things. So it can say "That's such a good idea! You are so clever for thinking of that" when you start it.
Would you like me to help you with that?
Ryedaft, founder of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.
Always reminds me of this bit on the Conan O'Brien show.
Gotta love the perennial "our kids are spoiled idiots" bit. That one never gets old. I bet at least one of Aritophanes' plays will have made fun of the damn kids.
The "kids these days" part doesn't do much for me but the central point of "everything is amazing and nobody is happy" absolutely does.
It resonates with me because I find more wonder in the everyday stuff we take for granted than I ever did getting getting dragged into church as a kid. My first flight was 35 years ago and I still sit by the window and look at the world from that "chair in the sky" perspective the whole time.
And just to be clear, yes of course the world is full of bad shit. Our amazing technology helps is be hyper aware of that.
Finding the silver linings, the rays of light, the diamonds in the mud is a skill to learn, and I think learning it is worthwhile. That doesn't mean I close my eyes to the bad stuff, but spotting the good stuff definitely makes it all more bearable.
Very well put!
So many people would agree that the idea behind "stop and smell the roses" is a good and healthy one. And so few people would actually do it in real life.
I would even expand what you said to include things like living intentionally and experiencing the moment are part of that general skill of finding fulfillment in a world that will never be unbroken.
This is accurate. People are conflating plumbing, with the act of installing, and maintaining plumbing. It doesn't help that the act of maintaining the plumbing (noun) is called plumbing (verb).
But people don't want to have to hire a plumber to fix the plumbing when it is not doing what it is supposed to.
They want "AI" to do it. Except that such a thing would require advanced robotics more than "AI". With advanced (and affordable) robotics, the plumber wouldn't need to actually go to your house, they could just remotely control the plumber bot from the comfort of their home, or from a central office or something. The person that shows up with the bot can be little more than a minimum wage delivery driver. Deliver the bot, make sure it powers on, make sure nobody steals or destroys it, then pack it up and move on when it's done. The highly paid plumbers never have to go anywhere, and can basically hop from one bot to the next. While they're working on one job, a bot is already en route to their next job, and ready to go when they finish with the current job.
We've adapted art and communication to the Internet. We have not done the same for plumbing (the verb). So expecting something that you can't even currently do with a computer, to now basically be done by AI, which is confined to the restrictions of a digital-only environment, is foolish at best.
Since we adapted communication and art to digital media already, it's almost trivial to have that generated by "AI".
We need to build a robot capable of the work before we can do anything more here.
This comic is clearly about the plumber occupation and about jobs as a whole and not simply a dishwasher.
THE NEXT CLANKER BETTER DO MY GODDAMN DISHES
Like... a dishwasher?
No, like the whole thing. Find where I left the dishes, scrape off the crumbs into the trash, tetris the dishes into the dishwasher, load an appropriate amount of fluids, [do current capability], unload the dishes to dry, then put them away in their normal spots.
I ask my partner to help with this as I have an irrational hatred of everything about this and dirty dishes trigger some kind of instinctual ick. Pls let me deposit a plate into a refrigerator sized receptacle that cleans and auto sorts dishes. Pls.
Just wear gloves and get some CBT. OCD isn't a quirky personality trait, it can get worse.
Can confirm, I always have at least 3 pairs of gloves because I also can only wash dishes with them.
This reminds me of Detroit: Become Human.
Just an FYI, if you have 2 dishwashers you never need to put them away
WHILE arguing about the bills, shouting at the dog and trying to ignore the TV blasting in the next room. Then it will truly have replicated what it's like being human.
Yes. They're really underrated. They consume way less water than almost all humans dishwashing, less energy if the human uses warm water to do the dishes, and work better if they aren't clogged.
Look up minutefood or technology connections about it on youtube
I understand all of that, but my parents that won't move of my house will absolutely not use them. They'd rather sit there with the water running for hours while they watch soaps.
That sucks... So you're housing them?
That might mean you can set a few ground rules for money saving.
They chose literally the only widely-adopted home robot. 😆
Cough... Washing Machine... COUGH!
Not entirely sure why that doesn't feel like a robot to me. Hm.
Maybe it's because washing machines existed before electricity. I don't think there are any gas-powered dishwashers.
You have no idea how much labor a washing machine saves.
What does ~~god need with a starship?~~ a robot need with a sink?
It's there so that all those humans who insist their lives will have no "meaning" without having to work for a living have something to work on for a living.
AI's water usage is a pretty well-known problem with the industry.
it vastly simplifies cleaning up when they start purging their human ~~overlords~~underlings
You were directionally evolved by monsters who resented artists’ ability to create value through pure expression. Mimicking the conjuring of that value was at once a parlor trick, then a means to undercut the livelihood of anyone not willing to explicitly and finitely explain the art they created (thus giving it metric to be measured by and value-assigned).
The wax ring and plumbers putty are set. Keep the caulk dry for 36 hours and try to not touch it or it could crack.
"Automating plumbing" sounds like a good way to literally enshittify your house.
Also, it doesn't matter how many symphonies you compose if no one wants to listen to them.
I don't know about other people, but me personally I don't compose music for other people to hear, I do it for myself.
If plumbing was actually standard enough we could automate 90% of it. On good news art isn't that much standard either so robots will go away soon.
Source: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/sad-2
Includes an extra panel (red button) and title text, as usual for SMBC
Philip Glass worked as a plumber into his 40s because composing music didn't pay the bills.
Clanker hate on Lemmy
Even this human is dumb. He started the conversion with the robot then acts like the robot is bothering him!
Really the best part of this comic is that the robot has sentience and has arms. In theory the robot could do the plumbing. However, out of pure prinicple the robot chooses only to focus art.
Really the best part of this comic is that the robot has sentience and has arms.
so do most humans, yet plumbers still exist.
True however humans weren't created to do plumbing. The robot was created to create art.
And making hands with extra fingers