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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 92 points 4 days ago (4 children)

fascist encroachment on civil liberties and the normalization of surveillance and over policing is always sold as some shit to protect the kids.

when i was a little kid, we rode bikes around the neighborhood, ran around in the quiet streets, and explored undeveloped lots. so signs went up telling us we couldn't go to places where there weren't cop patrols and cameras, because SAFETY. and when we stayed in the places left to us, cops would stop us and ask our identities and tell us to go home because they didn't "like" kids loitering, riding bikes, skateboarding, or any of the other shit people once called "playing outdoors". the parks were torn up because SAFETY, since i guess merry go rounds and swingsets are death traps that killed 1 billion children. unlike cars and cops guns.

when i was a teen, we would congregate in the malls. but never in groups larger than half a dozen, or that invited policing. trespass orders for the older kids. no no, no playing, no socializing, no loitering: you must come to the mall and efficiently make purchases or work for $4/hr being a retail/food court pain sponge. when you got off work, you must leave the mall. because you're a teen now, and teens are DANGEROUS. they have NO BUSINESS HERE.

the parks are gone, the malls are dead, parking lots and abandoned lots are hostile places where police cars sit to take naps and accost pedestrians and the poor cutting across on the way to wherever.

outside is BANNED for SAFETY, so kids go online to be social and guess what: that's DANGEROUS. so that space needs to be just as overpoliced, surveilled and controlled until all that's left are places to purchase and places to work. for SAFETY.

every place people invent to find some kind of community beyond the eyes of the bosses and their thugs is a place that is DANGEROUS and must be annexed for SAFETY.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ok but as a parent, 8-year-old George in 1919 is literally incomprehensible. Mother and grandfather were raised right though

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In 1919 in Sheffield there wouldn’t have been that many vehicles on the road, so it probably would have been safer from that perspective. Additionally people walked further in daily life back then, and were more used to doing so. Very different times.

Also worth noting that people had a lot more children then, and child death was still a fact of life, so perhaps people were a little less precious.

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

many businesses now have high pitched buzzers on the outside of their buildings that emit a sound adults cant hear but is painfully annoying for younger people, to stop them from "loitering". you can get them for your house now. they're called Mosquitos.

https://mosquitoloiteringsolutions.com/

society treats children and teenagers like a nuisance, a problem to be solved, then wonders why they get frustrated and lash out.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The "turmoil" of adolescence is entirely a product of industrial capitalism and its mistreatment of teenagers.

In 1991 anthropologist Alice Schlegel of the University of Arizona and Herbert Barry III, a psychologist at the University of Pittsburgh, reviewed research on teens in 186 preindustrial societies. Among the important conclusions they drew about these societies: about 60 percent had no word for "adolescence," teens spent almost all their time with adults, teens showed almost no signs of psychopathology, and antisocial behavior in young males was completely absent in more than half these cultures and extremely mild in cultures in which it did occur.^[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain-2007-06/]

In fact, I recently learned that the popular notion that the brain isn't "mature" until age 25 is probably a myth.^[I learned it from this infographic. I haven't fully vetted everything on it, but I'm sharing it to promote discussion: ] ^[https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment/brain-myth-25-development]


Personal anecdote

I grew up in the Deep South (Georgia), and when I was 16, my high school girlfriend and I were dying to fuck, but we never could, because every adult in our lives made it their life's mission to prevent all "kids" from having literally any privacy whatsoever.

The closest we got was brief, ten minute periods after Friday night football games, while we waited for our parents to pick us up. Band kids like us would hide in the auditorium and make out, but the band directors were constantly sweeping the building, trying to catch kids being "naughty" in order to traumatize and admonish them. I recently learned that that was also a plot point in Handmaid's Tale—my best friend was unable to finish the book because that scene was too triggering.

It's been over twenty years and I'm still resentful about it.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That infographic does worry me a little bit, I've known too many people who fried their brain from too much weed as teenagers, and cannot function properly because of it. Was them being a teen the reason behind the damage? Maybe not, but it was the reason why they didn't have enough moderation.

Though my solution wouldn't be "ban all drugs from kids" because that's literally how this sort of shit happens, they get high, have a great time, nothing bad happens, so they keep doing it, and end up relying on it, and in turn, because all the adults around them just have a "you should never take drugs" attitude, they never actually have a proper talk about their issues and so it just ends up getting worse.

A better "drug education" for teens would be to teach moderation and proper knowledge of side effects, not "if you take drugs it's destroy your life" but "smoking weed every now and then is ok, but too much too often can and will fuck you up."

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, the drug part is my primary reservation.

Edit: It appears to be the opinion of the infographic's creator rather than a topic explored in its cited literature.

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[–] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

I am very adult but unfortunately my ears are somehow still good enough that I can often hear those vile things. They can be quite painful to be around, probably because the assholes who operate them tend to crank up the volume to extremely high and probably unsafe levels. After all, that’s what the kind of business tyrant who would get one of these in the first place would naturally want to do. What an awful invention.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The shopping center by my house has huge speakers everywhere outside that just play seagulls shrieking at ear-splitting volume to prevent anyone from spending any time outside. Go to the store, buy something, then get back in your car immediately.

[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

I thought you were joking. I was sure of it, even. I thought "it must be a bit from the Simpsons or something." I followed the link to the website and still thought it must be a joke, one of those satirical sites. But it's not a joke. Parody is dead.

If I ever see one of these things (apparently I'm too old to hear it), I don't give a shit if I incur legal repercussions, I will be taking a hammer to it.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 days ago

those were a thing when i was a teenager, like 15-20 years ago
some of us used to use the sound as a ringtone so we could text in class without getting caught lol

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

Did you just write this? I feel like this should be pasta

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

1000% my exact experience growing up in an extremely low crime area in a mellow college town in California.

Also now they weaponize as part of this the massive homeless issues in California that they also created by much of the same overcriminalization.

[–] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 68 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

Look, being a parent is hard, i get it, but you can't just put an ipad in front of your kid and then get incensed when they're watching gore videos. You need to unhook that thing from the internet and put like 5 games on it or something. Some of our generation's parents weren't much better in this regard, it was just really hard to find out about german fart porn on your game boy color.

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I worked in peds and I was a little judgemental of parents of iPad kids, but I gotta say its super convenient to have the equivalent of an off button for a toddler who is screaming. Ive done IV starts on toddlers who barely flinched after they turned on Miss Rachel. Like... I get why people do it

It's the modern equivalent of putting a bit of whiskey in the bottle.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago

It's not really about kids, unfortunately

[–] daniyeg@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

yeah it's bad parenting but also how can you not be a bad parent these days? everyone's stressed, both parents are worked to the bone and are still saddled with debt up to their eyeballs and no matter how hard they try they seem to not be able to provide their only kid with the quality of life they see other people's kids have, which they know their kid will resent them for it once they turn into a teenager.

every parent i've talked to says they know it's bad but they're tired and stressed all the time and they just need some quiet time, and the screen is the only thing that makes their kid shut up.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago

Yeah like I'm all for keeping kids away from hardcore porn, there's things for sure they shouldn't see, but ofc capitalism is going about this ass backwards.

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I had a flashback the other day to my scrapbook of lewd images i'd collected from newspapers and magazines, not to even mention my collection of homebrew erotic lit

😅

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I had a similar collection of ecchi manga pages for like two years, my mom grounded me and threw it out when she found it.

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[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

someone should fork one of those youtube clients that lets you download videos. parent can scrape the channels/playlists/videos they approve of. have a function where the phone can go into a some sort of locked-down offline kiosk mode and only those videos will be available visible/available but functionality otherwise works same as youtube with suggestions, autoplay etc.

suddenly parents all love pirates

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

You could pretty much have thousands of arcade/NES/SNES/Genesis/GBA games thanks to emulators. I mean, kid me had those shareware compilation CDs with ~40 DOS games. The main difference is that kids today can play Super Mario World or Metal Slug instead of the shareware version of Jazz Jackrabbit.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

it was just really hard to find out about german fart porn on your game boy color.

Best we had was taking our friend's gameboy and renaming all their pokemon to "poo" and "butts"

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[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 42 points 4 days ago (6 children)

So like, if I was a kid, couldn't I just click on adult content to be classified as adult by these machines?

"Yea, that account watched 2 hours of political debate, must be 18" kinda thing.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Just to be safe kids start "watching" ~10 hours a week of political debate. Somehow kids can watch 10 tabs at once and all the vids are going at 2x speed.

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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Calling it now, this will still let the Elsagate slop through, but it’ll prevent anyone who so much as glanced at a video about Disney movies from seeing trans-related content.

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

Blocking all instances of 'trans' from the internet to stop the Irish making the trans-atlantic journey 😂

at least the local trans community are doing a lot of diy zines for this kind of information as i write this

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is so backwards, I'd probably get flagged as a baby since I only use youtube to watch gaming videos.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

it would be unbelievably funny if gaming got counted as kid shit

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

looking up a bunch of videos on how to file my taxes to avoid getting flagged as a minor

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think my youtube account is 18 years old at this point

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

i went and double checked. Mine's 15.

[–] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

Knowing google the AI would be absolute dogshit and would flag you as a minor anyway

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If I were erroneously flagged I'd probably feel insulted.

I've been watching tutorials on renovating drywall though, so I'm probably in the clear.

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Imo this has always about about restricting millions of people from open sources of information, next up, banning books or whatever

but first, kick every people off the internet who uses an anime pfp on twitter

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

good news / bad news on banning books: very few people read books so they are not as relevant. probably lower priority to ban.

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Please take out YouTube, please do it's the one thing I waste time on all day.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

for real it might fix 60% of my prductivity issues

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

The power lies within you comrade

[–] FreeRangeKitties@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

when are we gonna find out the "AI" is actually just a room full of nonces

[–] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

Couple threads in my mind about this:

  1. Social media giants have been trying to figure out moderation for a while. It is always met with backlash. All this regulation is laundering the backlash to the government, giving tech companies a little PR help
  2. On that same beat, if everyone is documented then it makes moderation way easier from a technical standpoint. Fewer financial resources have to go into moderation.
  3. Part of this has to be a correction for bots. Tech giants are learning that unregulated bots are bad, especially with trying to train AI. They want to crush bots that are not theirs and validate that their users are real. This will help them tremendously with marketing as they can point to a real user base and know their AI training data is coming from real people
  4. There is also the dream that all this will be automated by AI, despite the UK suddenly being filled with Normans Reedus. So offloading resources from moderation isn't just moving it to ID validation, resources are also reduced there as well.
[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

taylor lorenz has been doing good coverage on this for a little while now

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