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[–] MacStache@sopuli.xyz 110 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Isn't that an illegally forced agreement? I mean, the consumer already bought the product and is forced to enter an agreement after the fact? At least it feels like it would be illegal.

It's the same with software, sure, but somehow I've been brainwashed into thinking it's ok because it's a digital product/I only agree to a license of said product.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

If this is in the US you are 1 year away before companies can run Squid Games, "illegally forced agreement" is a thing of the past

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Squid Game at least honor the votes to end the game, IRL they'll just cancel elections lmfao.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Well they do hide their own guy amongst the players who can influence the vote

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago

Def illégal in Germany. You can't force an arbitration agreement.

[–] antsu@lemmy.wtf 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"By opening AND using this product (...)"

Have someone else open it for you, then consume the product yourself. Boom, no contract. Checkmate, lawyers!

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

hand it to a baby. it's like the cursed weapon loophole.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And loose your right to claim the Amazon $5 gift card? You'll fold. Just like all the others.

[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 130 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Mandatory arbitration agreement for a protein shake or whatever it is. First it may not be enforceable. Second it makes me think that this product is not fit for consumption.

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[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 72 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

By reading this comment, you agree to be bound eternally in thrall to me, and wear a maid dress for my amusement.

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Ugh damn it man. okay pm me your address

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[–] seralth@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

Jokes on you I'm into that shit

[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So when do I get the dress?

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Post a PO box and I'll send it over.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 94 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

No way this is legally binding. It amounts to a bait and switch. A product was purchased and provided without agreement to any further terms. Then they sneak in supposed terms after the fact based upon the action of opening the product. That is a change in agreement made without any consideration for the purchaser. That's not generally allowed in contact law.

Furthermore, I really doubt that they can get away with the argument that the act of opening a product can constitute any amount of conscious agreement to some writing on a package. If for no other reason than that this is (afaik) a novel way to attempt to coerce agreement such that nobody would expect such an agreement to be part of the opening process and likely won't notice it.

And it's not accessible for every person who may be using this product even if they do notice the words. Are you a non-English speaker? Farsighted? Blind? Illiterate? Would you have any way to even be aware that those words are terms that somehow binding you to an agreement by virtue of your opening the thing you just bought? Would you have any reason to even suspect that that is the case?

Also, they'll undoubtedly claim that the fact that you have the opened product means that you agreed to the terms, but that is also not the case. Your mom opened it for you and wrapped it as a gift? You bought it secondhand? The packaging was torn open when it shipped to you and you never had any reason to see this text in the first place? It was misprinted? Any of those things and more would mean you never agreed to anything. And they have no way to prove any of those things weren't the case.

Just stupid. I have zero doubt that any number of lawyers would love take this to court and get that payday.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Absofuckinglutely

If I bought it and got home and found this, I'd return it as I have before. You're not trapping me into agreeing for anything without the notice on the OUTSIDE of the product packaging. Fuck this

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Plus it speaks volumes to the product itself. If they're trying to pull shit like this there's no way I'm trusting whatever they're trying to get me to put in my body.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 20 points 6 days ago

All it does is prove to the purchaser that the fuckers don't trust the basic safety and fitness for use of their product. Spectacular self own.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It actually does have legal precident. You know how you can't read or accept the EULA for software until after you purchase it?

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They get away with stuff like that when they have sold you a "license" to their software, rather than something you gave actually purchased outright. It is argued that a license is a an agreement to access a software product, rather than ownership of it, and putting an EULA in between your license purchase or changing it later doesn't affect your purchase because you continue to hold the license even if you choose not to agree to the terms necessary to use it. It's a bit different for a physical item that you have actual ownership over, not a license to use it (pending agreement).

I also find all of that to be loophole bullshit that should be fixed, but that's a separate issue.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If they can change their EULA at any time without consent for something you already purchased that should enable the option for a full refund if declined.

Accept the new license or refund.

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[–] thrawn@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Vital Proteins got bought out by Nestle and almost immediately turned to shit iirc

[–] Tail11@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I didn't know this—time to shop for a new collagen supplement.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 57 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Time to use the box cutter and open it from the bottom.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Yeah they really slipped up by saying "and" using it, as opposed to "or".

I'm going to gnaw into it like a little rat.

[–] Part4@infosec.pub 53 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is there a bigger red flag than a message on it saying 'if you break this seal you can't sue us!'

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[–] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

So when my underage child opens this what's the plan? Clearly theyre not old enough to enter into an "legally" binding agreement, right?

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 30 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There should be an "protest buy" action to any the products that do this bullshit. A large group of people buy the products and then return them to the store for a refund. Especially for perishable goods, this would make them worthless. Which would make stocking such products a loss and force the vendors and manufacturers to cut the shit out.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 13 points 6 days ago

Well, the top cap apparently needs to be torn off to read the sentence, lowering the shelf appeal of the product even though there are other tamper-evident seals present.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Be careful, if you do a "protest buy", they may legally be able to not accept the return since you already knew about the contract. So you know, either don't do it or at least don't post on social media about it.

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Lol too bad they only wrote it in English

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Zanz@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Lg tried it on refrigerators, even though refrigerators are not delivered in boxes.So the customer never receives them. The delayed or denied every warranty claim on their stupid 2 stage refrigerant pump, then said since the customer opened the box with the terms agreement that they couldn't sue. It took more than a year to resolve just that there could be a class action lawsuit against LG.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm gonna need some good news soon. This dystopia just keeps getting worse and worse.

[–] Unbecredible@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The good news is that these things pass, buddy. All things pass, and it's almost over really. This economy, this president, they won't last forever. This country, this current set of land masses, this current set of planets. It's all gonna just...pass. Gonna be just one drop in a lake of space and an ocean of time. Gonna be pressed into a microscopic crease in the fabric of a spacetime already contorted by titanic folds of incomprehensible number and arrangement. Until it can hardly be said to have happened at all.

[–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

Everything ends, nothing matters. Be happy for the little things and don't screw it up for others

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The good news is you can choose to save your unborn children the pain of existence on planet earth.

Get a vasectomy. For them.

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[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I had one of these fridges. The pumps even got an extended warranty since they failed so often. Mine died on year 6 of the 5 year standard MFG and it still got fixed for free because of the class action lawsuit.

I learned about the lawsuit after the fact too.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This isn't mildly annoying, this is corporate hellscape.

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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

Write on the money you used to purchase this by accepting this money you agree to the terms of service...

Eat shit turdblossoms.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ah! That's one of the worst parts of the internet, and they've figured out a way to make it real.

At least they mention the arbitration upfront, I guess.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] vxx@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Delevoping liver issues, that's what it is.

aka Protein powder

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This got me curious because I've never heard of this, atleast according to this study it does not cause liver issues if you use it properly, aka you exercise and don't just drink it casually.

"The results showed that when whey protein is used in an uninformed manner and without exercising, adverse effects on the liver may occur by increasing the apoptotic signal in the short term and increasing inflammatory markers and hepatotoxicity in the long term." - link

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