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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 1 points 5 minutes ago

An hackernews responds to the call for "more optimistic science fiction" with a plan to deport the homeless to outer space

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43840786

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Microsoft brags about the amount of technical debt they're creating. Either they're lying and the number is greatly exaggerated (very possible), or this will eventually destroy the company.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 1 points 29 minutes ago

Either they’re lying and the number is greatly exaggerated (very possible), or this will eventually destroy the company.

I'm thinking the latter - Silicon Valley is full of true believers, after all.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] scruiser@awful.systems 3 points 4 hours ago

~~The predictions of slopworld 2035 are coming true!~~

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 4 points 5 hours ago

Blergh. Just fucking fund public transport and don’t use AI. Easy wins on traffic and efficiency.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Aw man, Natasha Lyonne is going AI. Notably she is partnering with a company, Moonvalley, that claims to have developed an “ethical” model, Marey, trained on “clean” data- i.e. data that is owned or licensed by Moonvalley and whoever else they are partnering with.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 2 hours ago

ah yes the 937 partners of this website and their legitimate interest to scan and own your thoughts forever

i don't expect literally this but there's some potential hidden sleaziness inside

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

And thus Poker Face joins Sandman in the "no longer interested in Season 2" pile, but for different reasons.

The plot of Uncanny Valley centers on “a teenage girl who becomes unmoored by a hugely popular AR video game in a parallel present.”

So, Tron again, then. But with goggles this time.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I mean I appreciate the attempt to mitigate one of the many problems with genAI, but I would expect the smaller dataset to make a model that confabulates even more and is gonna be even harder to work with than something like Sora. Like, I'm sure a decent director will be able to make something with it but I can't see how it's going to be better results or more time/money/labor efficient than human VFX pipelines even if you pay the poor bastards decently.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 6 hours ago

That and also: training and running a model still takes a ton of energy! LLMs will never be ethical.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 13 points 17 hours ago

Update on the University of Zurich's AI experiment: Reddit's considering legal action against the researchers behind it.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

In terms of depreciating assets, an AI data center is worse than a boat.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 1 points 53 minutes ago

In terms of sailing the high seas, an AI data center is worse than a boat too.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

In terms of actually being useful, an AI data center is also worse than a boat.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 4 points 6 hours ago

AI data centers brought some ratty bloggers into their five minutes of fame, while a boat only brought Ziz &co from Alaska to SFBA

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

Oh hey just in time to let my subscription lapse.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

My kids use Duolingo for extra training of languages they are learning in school, so this crapification hits close to home.

Any tips on current non-crap resources? Since they learn the rules and structure in school it's the repetition of usage in a fun way that I am aiming for.

[–] aio@awful.systems 5 points 16 hours ago

I've been using Anki, it works great but requires you to supply the discipline and willingness to learn yourself, which might not be possible for kids.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

no idea, sorry. “find some wordpals online” maybe but then you need to also deal with the vetting/safety issue

it’s just so fucking frustrating

[–] raoul@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I find Duolingo to be of low quality.

I like Babbel. It's not free and they have a relatively limited number of languages but I find the quality really good (at least for French -> Deutsch).

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately, Babbel has slop integration too.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

after I've previously posted this and this, an update: both the memrise browser version and the iOS app now have "chat to a buddy" as a non-skipable step in course iteration

the "buddy" is a chatbot of unclear provenance. this page mentions "MemBot - powered by AI" at the top, which is a link to this zendesk page, but that's a dead link

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Along the same lines of LLMs ruining language stuff: I just learned the acronym MTPE (Machine Translation Post Edit) in the context of excuses to pay translators less and thanks I hate it.

Can't avoid slop reading translated books, can't learn the source language without dodging slop in learning tools left and right. It's the microplastics of the internet age.

Anyway my duolingo account is no more, I have better resources for learning German anyway.

[–] mii@awful.systems 11 points 21 hours ago

Along the same lines of LLMs ruining language stuff: I just learned the acronym MTPE (Machine Translation Post Edit) in the context of excuses to pay translators less and thanks I hate it.

Not-so-fun fact: that's a marketing term for what amounts to basically a scam to pay people less.

I used to work for a large translation company when this first came up. Admittedly, that was almost ten years ago, but I assume this shit is even more common nowadays. The usual procedure was to have one translator translate the stuff (commonly using what's called a TM or Translation Memory, basically a user dictionary so the wording stays consistent), and then another translator to do an editing pass to catch errors. For very high-impact translations, there could be more editing passes after that.

MTPE is now basically omitting the first translator and feeding it through a customized version of what amounts to Google Translate or DeepL that can access the customer's TM data, and then handing it off to a translator for the editing pass. The catch now is that freelance translators have two rates: one for translating, depending on the language pair between $0.09 and $0.5 per word, and one for editing, which is significantly less. $0.01 to $0.12 or so per word, from what I remember. The translation rate applies for complete translations, i.e. when a word is not in the customer's TM. If it is in the TM, the editing rate applies (or, if the translator has negotiated a clever rate for themselves, there might be a third rate). With MTPE, you now essentially feed the machine heaps of content to bloat up the TM as much as possible, then flag everything as pre-translated and only for editing, and boom, you can force the cheapest rates to apply to what is essentially more work because the quality of what comes out of these machines is complete horseshit compared to a human-translated piece.

For the customers, however, MTPE wasn't even that much cheaper. The biggest difference was in the profit margin for the translation company, to no one's surprise.

Back when I worked there, and those were the early days, a lot of freelance translators flat-out refused to do MTPE because of this. They said, if the customer wants this, they can find another translator, and because a lot of customers wanted to keep the translators they'd had for a long time, there was some leverage there.

I have no idea how the situation is today, but infinitely worse I assume.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

I've logged a support ticket.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the shunning is working guys

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 15 points 17 hours ago

"Kicked out of a ... group chat" is a peculiar definition of "offline consequences".

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The first time I ever suffered offline consequences for a social media post"- Hey Gang, I think I found the problem!

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I have no idea where he stood on the bullshit bad faith free speech debate from the past decade, but this would be funny if he was an anti cancel culture guy. More things, weird bubble he lives in if the other things didn't get pushed back, and support for the pro trans (and pro Palestine) movements. He is right on the immigration bit however, the dems should move more left on the subject. Also 'Blutarsky' and I worried my references are dated, that is older than I am.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

he's a centrist econ blogger who's been getting into light race science

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 5 points 10 hours ago

I'm a centrist. I think we should aim for the halfway point between basic human decency and hateful cruelty. I'm also willing to move towards the hateful cruelty to appease the right, because I'm a moderate.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 5 points 12 hours ago

And he is brave enough to say that:

  • There is a sensible compromise somewhere between the Biden/Harris immigration bill that would have got rid of due process for suspected illegal immigrants and the Trump policy of just throwing dark people into vans for shipment to slave labour camps.

  • Genocide is just sensible bipartisanship.

  • Trans people are not people.

Much centrist, much sensible. Much surprise he is getting into race science. It the centre (defined as the middle ground of Attila and Mussolini) moves, the principled centrist must move with it.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Still frustrated over the fact that search engines just don't work anymore. I sometimes come up with puns involving a malapropism of some phrase and I try and see if anyone's done anything with that joke, but the engines insist on "correcting" my search into the statistically more likely version of the phrase, even if I put it in quotes.

Also all the top results for most searches are blatant autoplag slop with no informational value now.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On the (slim) upside, it's an opportunity to ditch Google, and maybe it will sooner or later break their monopoly position. I switched my main search engine to Ecosia a while ago, I think it uses Bing underneath (meh), but presumably it's more privacy friendly than Google (or Bing directly). I've had numerous such attempts over the years already to get away from Google, but always returned, because the search results were just so much better (especially for non-English stuff). But now Google has gotten so much worse that it created almost an equilibrium... sometimes it's still useful and better, but not that often anymore. So I rarely go to Google now, not because the others got better, but because Google got so much worse.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Ecosa? The australian mattress in a box company?? (jk)

Apparently they offer an AI chatbot alongside their services, so…

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 1 points 6 minutes ago

The same goes with DuckDuckGo, because the venn diagram of programmers and AI bros is apparently a circle.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ZITRON DROPPED

Less a standard piece and more "Ed Zitron goes completely fucking apeshit for 26 minutes" this time around

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

Said revenue estimates, as of 2026, include billions of dollars of "new products" that include "free user monetization."

If you are wondering what that means, I have no idea. The Information does not explain.

Probably something to do with their recent ramblings about getting an openai social network off the ground.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 4 points 5 hours ago

This feels like a lot of straw man arguments?

No it doesn't?

Did anyone ever claim these things?

Yes?

Are these problems to implementing SMR? I don't think so.

OK, but aside from lower efficiency, higher price per watt, and not solving any of the problems they're supposed to solve, are there any problems with SMR? I don't think so.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 19 hours ago

Still sad the SMRs will not work out but good you posted it here. Lol at the HN guy going 'these are strawmen', buddy you build websites perhaps the guy in the field (with a physics phd) knows a little bit more.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
From:  The Sentry Team <noreply@sentry.io>
Subject:	Update to Sentry’s List of Subprocessors
...
 - Google LLC (Google Cloud Services) and OpenAI, L.L.C. are now reflected as subprocessors for all Sentry products, instead of select features only; and
 - Anthropic, PBC is now added as a subprocessor.

sigh

they do still have user-specified controls (and appear to respect them), but... sigh

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