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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 80 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mostly because our ability to organize and unify against the wealthy is overwhelmed by the wealthy's tools to keep us factioned and distrustful of each other. Hence the necessity of the fascist enemy within rhetoric.

The problem is, we humans are simple emotional beings who are really credulous when it comes to being told stuff we want to hear, and the wealthy have crafted messaging catering to this bias and wishful thinking (hence "you are the chosen people and have to massacre all the others who are spiritual flesh-eating zombies")

That sounds way cooler to the lumpen-proletariat than "you're just another commoner, but if we work together we can topple the people who hoard all the stuff and make a fun themepark for everyone!"

[–] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

ngl I'd turn against my fellow man if I, exclusively, was offered a couple mil untaxed income instantly from a billionaire

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 17 hours ago

You're not alone. Karel Čurda turned in Jozef Gabčík and Jan Kubiš for assassinating Reinhard Heydrich (The naziest nazi of all the nazis, also the chief implementer of the Holocaust. Also the only assassination effort implemented by the Allies). Čurda got the reward of one million Reichmarks for betraying his own sabotage team.

Čurda would then be hanged for high treason in 1947.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

make sure you get paid up front, dude. these people do not keep their promises. money is also a promise. don't trust that shit either. the moment you outlive your usefulness; you're out.

[–] MordercaSkurwysyn@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In my workplace filled with engineers there was a good ammount of trust for management for years, our director was considered to be a cool, unrestanding guy. It toppled in an instant when a new CEO decided to implement new set of much stricter rules that made everyone realise they are indeed members of working class and not the mythical middle class. It doesn't change much that your tool is a computer and not a greasy, dirty and smelly machine and your job requires a degree, if you work for a private enterprise your work and life is not worth more than an imaginary number representing a market value of the company. From my perspective it's funny to see how belief in meritocracy falls after years of being made fun of for mocking it.

it's equal parts frustrating and satisfying. a lifetime of cassandra, and no recognition when I finally get to scream "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!" at the top of my lungs about everything, because still nobody wants to fix it and I've got nothing better to do.

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Guns. The answer is guns, Lrrr.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We're the only people who have to worry about having a conscience and morals.

[–] masterbaexunn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] bedouin@infosec.pub 26 points 2 days ago

I so fucking love this so, so much

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Their meat is oily and diseased?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 55 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You could also end up getting brain worms that way.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We can just make vaccines from autistic people

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[–] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And you would probably get high on ketamine from consuming it as well.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To flip Curtis Yarvin's script, they'd make better biofuel to actually be useful.

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[–] piratekaiser@lemm.ee 45 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Look at history. You need a tipping point, but more importantly, you need organised masses and a vision/visionary to get behind.

That's how Lenin got in power. It's how the French decapitated their king. That's why there was a rally at the White house when trump lost the previous election but nobody is doing anything against him now at the states while he dismantles the country.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Correct, but there is a lot of nuance.

Indeed, when things get bad, the public is willing to take risks. When everything is good enough, they don't revolt.

However, successful revolts do require intelligent and capable leaders.

What the rich have realized, is that if they ensure smart and skilled kids get picked out of the drudgery and get comfortable working for the rich, then the exploited class will not really have anyone to lead them.

Put another way, in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

Nowadays, society is really stratified in terms of skill.

Anyone who grew up poor, but had talent to organize, probably ended up in some kind of middle management or professional job and makes 2x the average.

Convincing these people to have class solidarity is difficult. Only a few of them actually see the bigger. Those tend to become middle or upper management or politicians, making 3-5x the average workers salary. And of those, only a very select few are willing to fight for the common man.

So yeah, the rich engineered a system that they can control. To actually change anything is going to be very difficult.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (19 children)

You say the larger of the two, but the majority of the USA voted for fascism and an absurd number of people just stayed home. It's hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (21 children)

oh my god im sick of this 'the democratic party cannot fail, only be failed' bullshit. I remember the 2000 election, where these chucklefucks, the same leadership we had in 2024, literally the same people in charge, handed over a presidency that they won because the fascists threw a fit. my life was largely defined by the consequences of the democratic party's abdication to fascists that election. I cannot forgive them for that, if nothing else.

and I'm not confident, given some of the comments musk's son has let slip and the years of always-confessional fascist whinging about election interference, that people DIDN'T properly vote for the absolute piece of shit the dems tried to run, again. that americans weren't just that cucked.

the fact they were willing to ratfuck the candidates the american people wanted, time and time again, since god damn world war two, suggests that these assholes are more willing to risk fascism by putting incompetent figureheads in charge than deal with moderate center left reformers-from henry wallace to bernard sanders-suggests they would not have fought for us, just like they didn't really fight for us from 2020-2024. these were not our people in washington, and expecting our slavish devotion was insulting when they gave us nothing in return, largely letting the fascists run free. maybe, if donald trump was such a threat, and he was, and open fascism was such a huge fucking deal, which it is, they should have run somebody with at better chance of winning an election, nodded to things that energized americans, or played hard ball during the campaign?

I do remember the campaign, by the way. I have the curse of all lefties everywhere; I can remember thirty or more seconds into the past. I remember them pulling back on winning strategies like 'hey these guys are weird deranged little freaks' and 'this fascism thing doesn't sound very nice' because presumably they were more concerned with their ability to be weird little freaks once they took charge, and their ability to do fascism-lite once they were in charge, than with making sure the real thing didn't happen. and maybe that's why they didn't lock trump up when they had control. maybe that's why they didn't cover the white house lawn in gallows on january7. maybe that's why they wouldn't have fought an election result like 2000, if it had occurred, and let the fascists just have the win if it came to that. again. they certainly didn't contest a very very shady election.

cut the shit. the democratic party is done. it's over. they will not resist, because they don't want to, because they would rather side with fascists than the most mild social reformers, the most mild corporate regulator not-quite-communists, the most mild prison abolitionist not-quite-anarchists. they were never going to resist.

move the fuck on. do something real rather than spending your time trying to blame the failures of your duplicitous masters on the people you think should be your natural allies. they didn't even fail to stand up for us; they never tried, and your defense of the democratic party is genuinely offensive. maybe try joining us. go outside, cook some food for your community, talk to people, start a gun club.

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[–] bustAsh@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure the majority voted for Trump considering all the election interference and Elon Musk's fuckery.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago

Voting stupidly doesn't turn a working class person into an owner class person. We still outnumber them, it's just that most of us have been tricked.

[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The same people who have historically bankrolled and controlled Republicans also run the Democrats. It's kinda hard to "fight the system" when the oligarchs are the system.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Then you would agree we should remove money from politics and...

Oh! Whats this? The DNC passed campaign finance limits in 2002 which were overturned by the conservative SCOTUS in 2010 "Citizens United" decision? Huh, wow, thats crazy. Have any Dems talked about this recently? All of them? All the time? Neat.

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[–] randomperson@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

It really shouldn't be since that's just the beginning, they'll be coming for everyone that says a single negative thing about the king and his cronies.

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[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm vegan - I compost the rich.

[–] AndromedaAnimated@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Vegans like you make me interested in veganism. The diet seems to have some beneficial effect on the sense of humor.

TL; DR I laughed my a** off, thank you!

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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because eating the rich will accomplish nothing if you don't also change the underlying system that created them in the first place. And good luck getting everyone in the non-rich class to agree on what that change should look like.

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The 2% inflation target that excludes all investments you mean, so that we must consume more every year otherwise interest rates collapse and we gush out money like a sprinkler, as the rich load up on debt to short cash with their ever inflating collateral while gold and houses rise 10% a year.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What if the rich kept getting eaten until they figured out a system that the rest of us were satisfied with

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