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You say the larger of the two, but the majority of the USA voted for fascism and an absurd number of people just stayed home. It's hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.
oh my god im sick of this 'the democratic party cannot fail, only be failed' bullshit. I remember the 2000 election, where these chucklefucks, the same leadership we had in 2024, literally the same people in charge, handed over a presidency that they won because the fascists threw a fit. my life was largely defined by the consequences of the democratic party's abdication to fascists that election. I cannot forgive them for that, if nothing else.
and I'm not confident, given some of the comments musk's son has let slip and the years of always-confessional fascist whinging about election interference, that people DIDN'T properly vote for the absolute piece of shit the dems tried to run, again. that americans weren't just that cucked.
the fact they were willing to ratfuck the candidates the american people wanted, time and time again, since god damn world war two, suggests that these assholes are more willing to risk fascism by putting incompetent figureheads in charge than deal with moderate center left reformers-from henry wallace to bernard sanders-suggests they would not have fought for us, just like they didn't really fight for us from 2020-2024. these were not our people in washington, and expecting our slavish devotion was insulting when they gave us nothing in return, largely letting the fascists run free. maybe, if donald trump was such a threat, and he was, and open fascism was such a huge fucking deal, which it is, they should have run somebody with at better chance of winning an election, nodded to things that energized americans, or played hard ball during the campaign?
I do remember the campaign, by the way. I have the curse of all lefties everywhere; I can remember thirty or more seconds into the past. I remember them pulling back on winning strategies like 'hey these guys are weird deranged little freaks' and 'this fascism thing doesn't sound very nice' because presumably they were more concerned with their ability to be weird little freaks once they took charge, and their ability to do fascism-lite once they were in charge, than with making sure the real thing didn't happen. and maybe that's why they didn't lock trump up when they had control. maybe that's why they didn't cover the white house lawn in gallows on january7. maybe that's why they wouldn't have fought an election result like 2000, if it had occurred, and let the fascists just have the win if it came to that. again. they certainly didn't contest a very very shady election.
cut the shit. the democratic party is done. it's over. they will not resist, because they don't want to, because they would rather side with fascists than the most mild social reformers, the most mild corporate regulator not-quite-communists, the most mild prison abolitionist not-quite-anarchists. they were never going to resist.
move the fuck on. do something real rather than spending your time trying to blame the failures of your duplicitous masters on the people you think should be your natural allies. they didn't even fail to stand up for us; they never tried, and your defense of the democratic party is genuinely offensive. maybe try joining us. go outside, cook some food for your community, talk to people, start a gun club.
We have 2 options.
Make things better or make things worse.
It's really that simple, guy.
And btw, the DNC held primaries every election. 2024, 2020, 2016. Among the candidates in 2016 and 2020 were Bernie Sanders, who consistently lost. I think more people should participate in primaries, but it's a false claim to say they "ratfucked candidates" that people wanted. People chose Biden. People chose Clinton.
No, Bernie got done dirty in the primary process each time, super delegates, getting people like Buttigieg to drop out for promises of favors - but it’s convenient there wasn’t a primary in 2024 so they could just pick someone else for you openly.
See, there's serious doubt for me in both cases that Biden and Clinton were really the people's choice because the party either overtly or quietly kept their thumb on the scale. I can't find the article anymore, but whoever took over after Debbie Schultz basically found that the HRC campaign was effectively in charge of the DNC during the 2016 primary. I don't know about you, but I don't consider that a level playing field at all. Then, in '20, I found it really, really sketchy how Biden won what, two, three states? And all the other candidates with one or two wins suddenly pulled out and pledged all of their delegates for Biden basically at the same time. Could've been that Biden was really that cool, but I've always had doubts about that.
It wasn't exactly a close race. You'd be accusing the DNC of fabricating Millions of ballots. On Super Tuesday, Biden swept races across the nation, a lot more than one or two.
Well, no, not of fabricating ballots. I said I think they had a thumb on the scales, that neither race was fair, not that the votes were fake. So, it's more like I'm accusing them of giving their candidate of choice significant advantages over the others, which is not something you could call a fair race.
TBH they didn't even need to include third parties on their ballots from the start. They had all the power in the world to Exclude Bernie. If they were that opposed then why would they even risk it?
Unfair primaries are the onion, and too damn many people took a bite.
Nah, miss me with that shit. The way super delegates were set up in the '16 primary was total crap, I remember that the media had basically called it for Hillary on almost day 1 of the primary season because every superdelegate announced (before their state primary!) that they were going for Hillary. I think that the HRC campaign really thought they were going to fold in all of the Bernie voters' votes, money, and energy.
Delegation process aside, millions more people still chose the winners.
I mean, I don't put too much stock in that because there's a bandwagon effect to voting. If people perceived that Hillary or Biden is already the winner, as the media portrayed, then folks are more likely to vote for them. I think a fair election would have seen 2020's primary looking much more like the 2016 Republican primary, where it was hardly a foregone conclusion that Trump would win.
In 2016 the four elections before super Tuesday. One had Bernie win New Hampshire with 60% for 15 delegates and Hillary 9 delegates, the other three went to Hillary with 49%, 52%, and 73% for a total of 82 to Bernie's 50.
After Super Tuesday where Hillary won 8 of the 11 states she had a lead 197 delegates and in the middle of march won another 8 out of 12 states for a lead of 320 delegates. In late march Bernie saw a small comeback of 7 state victory and the overseas democrats out of 9 contests.
From April through June Hillary had won 14 contests out of 20, including Puerte Rico, DC, and Guam as well as 11 more states.
At this point HRC had 16,914,722 votes and 2,842 delegates to Bernie Sander's 13,206,428 votes and 1,820 delegates. It was a long, drawn out primary race with a very clear winner by millions of votes.
So why do people keep spreading the lie that it was rigged? Because they don't want Democrats to win. They want us to get mad at our own party and splinter into smaller factions.
I think we should have listened to Bernie: and voted for Hillary Clinton.
I did vote for Hillary, for all the good it did.
technically true; dem elite ghouls are people.
I didn't realize you considered 20 to 30 Million people dem elite ghouls. Clearly, you're just a conservative.
this is why nobody fucking likes liberals; you'd rather shit on the people you say are your allies, whose aid and support of YOUR plans at any cost and never benefit to them is your right bestowed upon you by god and his prophet, ludwig von mises, than raise a god damn finger, even on your keyboard, to stop the literal nazis gutting all your precious institutions.
the election is over. if you genuinely want to make things better; move the fuck on, and join a filthy commie or a damned anarchist in one of our projects. or you can just keep telling us its our fault and the fascists aren't at all to blame.
The fascists are to blame, and you've deluded yourself into believing the DNC are fascists despite every reason not to. When we elect Democrats we get less money in politics, we tax the rich, we expand medical coverage, we strengthen ties with allies around the world, and we actually do something about climate change.
When the GOP wins they claw back all of it.
I cannot see opposition to the DNC as anything other than pure malice, because it consequentially is.
read what I said. read what I actually said, please. stop replying to some imagined figure. go back and read what I said.
fun fact: hitler said that you should read not to learn what the author intended, but to confirm what you would like to believe, only ever seeking evidence to confirm views you already hold.
fun fact: Hitler's rise to power was heralded by right wing unity and left wing splintering, centrists and the left being unable to form a government in 3 elections until the Nazi party won and instantly formed a government which effectively ended the weimar republic.
maybe you should get on fucking board then. why didn't you vote for delacruz? she would have been electable if you had voted for her. maybe you should do some penance, in the form of joining your local DSA chapter or starting a mutual aid group?
edit: oh shit, two down no up. was this never actually about teamwork and fighting fascism?
The USA is a first past the post 2 party system.
Want to improve that? Vote Democrat. Want to make it worse? Throw your vote away, let the Republicans make it a one party.
I'm not sure the majority voted for Trump considering all the election interference and Elon Musk's fuckery.
Yes, there is a strong case that voter suppression won him the race in 2016 and 2024
Voting stupidly doesn't turn a working class person into an owner class person. We still outnumber them, it's just that most of us have been tricked.
The same people who have historically bankrolled and controlled Republicans also run the Democrats. It's kinda hard to "fight the system" when the oligarchs are the system.
Then you would agree we should remove money from politics and...
Oh! Whats this? The DNC passed campaign finance limits in 2002 which were overturned by the conservative SCOTUS in 2010 "Citizens United" decision? Huh, wow, thats crazy. Have any Dems talked about this recently? All of them? All the time? Neat.
So what you are saying is that the oligarchs rule the system and your solution is to continue voting in that same system in which you are being ruled?
You're going to sit there and "both-sides" in the face of one side clearly fighting against oligarchy and one side clearly fighting for.
You're going to pretend its all the same while Republicans, who created a deficit by cutting taxes for the rich and only the rich, are tryng to pass a budget that will remove 79 Million citizens health coverage a d defund hospitals.
You're barely even human.
The same socioeconomic class has been continuously the main benefactor of America economic policy for 50 years regardless of which party is in charge. Idk what more proof you require to accept the oligarchs run the system but you believe whatever you need to to make you feel safe and secure.
It really shouldn't be since that's just the beginning, they'll be coming for everyone that says a single negative thing about the king and his cronies.
Not even a majority of voters, let alone a majority of Americans. Just about 30% of adults in the US voted for trump. We still outnumber them.
And 40% didn't think it was important enough to even vote
You've no idea why those voters didn't vote. Disenfranchisement has been turned to 11
Actually yes, a majority. Trump lost popular vote in 2016 but won it in 2024. IMO everyone eligible who stayed home is just as much complicit with Trump.
More specifically the number of Trump voters barely increased, but the number of people who voted for Kamala was millions less than those who voted for Biden.
49.9% isn't a majority. It's a plurality.
Trump: 49.8% of popular vote (77,302,580 votes)
Harris 48.3% of popular vote (75,017,613 votes)
He won the majority, unless you're counting spoiled ballots that accomplished fuck all against empowering dictatorship.
The definition of majority is a percentage over 50%.
49.8% is less than 50%
I'm sorry if this is a difficult concept to grasp.
77,302,580 + 75,017,613 = 152,320,193
77,302,580 / 152,320,193 = 0.5075 = 50.075% = MAJORITY
And thats me being generous, I honestly think every third party voter was complicit with the Trump victory. Didn't think I'd have to show work for somebody to understand basic addition, today.
Yes, the numbers work when you intentionally leave some out.
We had two options.
Clearly not, since there were votes for other candidates.
Define words however you want, that doesn't make it true. A majority is 50%+1. Anything less is a plurality. More people voted for someone other than Trump than those who voted for him.
Beside the point, the original claim was a majority of Americans, and that isn't even close to a majority anyways. Even with your funny definitions.
I would argue voting for a candidate you know will lose with certainty is not a vote for or against anything.
Cool definition. Still not a majority.