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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) by qaz@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk
 

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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • Remove Brave
  • Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • Add GrapheneOS
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • Maybe remove Bluesky
  • Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)
  • Add ente because Immich is selfhosted
  • Add aurora

Any other suggestions?

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[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Maybe add Signal; It’s easier than Element, but it’s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 1 points 40 minutes ago

Obtainum + F-Droid is best combo.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why are brave, lineage os and youtube revanced there, but not aurora store

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

And Stremio but not Jellyfin?

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Fun that Element is on the list, while there is a 3rd bill attempt in a year to forbid or bypass encryption in instant messaging. Europe maybe not as fascist as US or Russia, it's still is a shitty capitalist and imperialist place.

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes exactly I'm mostly on-board with this flyer, I particularly like that tagline. But the inclusion of the EU flag is just completely bewildering to me, even as an EU resident myself. Are there really people out there who see the EU as some sort of bastion of freedom and justice?! Or is this some noncredibledefense-esque ironic meme that I'm too dumb to understand?

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I feel like there would be value in having a "self hosted" column or tag. Like I think jellyfin should be on this list but if I went to switch from a streaming service to a self hosted jellyfin I'd be immediately upset that this list isn't offering alternatives that are "ready to play" so to speak.

Just a friction point deterrence.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes, if I create my own version I will add something to differentiate.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Lineage OS doesn't support Bootloader Re-locking (well tbf that's a manufacturer issue) and Verified Boot, so its a huge security issue. Like, if you want to avoid google and have security, Graphene OS is the only real option for a phone, which ironically, is only available on a Google Phone 🙃

Netflix... ---> thepiratebay[DOT]org (replace [DOT] with a dot) 🏴‍☠️😉 (might need a VPN since some countries block it, and you wouldn't want to torrent without a VPN anyways)

And Briar for messaging (Android Only). It's all Peer-to-Peer, and doesn't go through ANY central servers, maximum independence. And censorship resistant because of default Tor usage, and also local Bluetooth synching for like mass protests, in case your government also gets a bit... fascist... and shut down the internet.

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago

Theres also CalyxOS, which is not only easier to install than lineage, but also relocks the bootloader and includes MicroG, which improves overall compatibility (especially regarding banking apps).

[–] LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

torrents-csv.com works great

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Lineageos apparently does but you need to build and sign it yourself

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 22 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Suggesting linux mint specifically is good. Linux is overwhelming to new users, don't give them choice paralysis too.

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I completely agree! I switched to Linux Mint yesterday, and please don’t give me a bunch of alternatives before even deciding to try out Linux 🤣 Took me much longer to take the leap BECAUSE of all those alternatives.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

How's it going so far?

[–] based_raven@lemm.ee 7 points 7 hours ago

I honestly agree here. Better to suggest a specific distro than just saying "use Linux".

[–] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Linux Mint is the simplest Linux distro if you come from Windows, unless there are others that recommendation is pretty much accurate.

Anyone else who uses other distros on a daily basis will simply skip that recommendation.

[–] MonkeyBrawler@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Nobara is a really solid distro for gamers. It's packaged with a lot of stuff to streamline the setup.

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Also add Fairphone (Netherlands) and Nothing (UK) as alternatives to iPhone and other Androids.

[–] keyez@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I thought that section was more to get away from stock android and google rather than just US companies, I have a nothing phone and it very much uses regular android and google services though the bootloader is unlockable to install something like LineageOS.

[–] wieson@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I recently found edupad.ch for collaborative writing.

It's very simple, and - most important of all - doesn't require an account.

I'm using it for the first time, so I don't have much of a review, but the first impression is very good for my use case.

[–] Marty_Man_X@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I get the desire to post "simple" answers like this. And while some of the recommends do make sense... I believe the lists should be better researched. A few other comments also pointed out some of the issues already.

I've noticed with a lot of these lists that worse/unreasonable/less private/less secure/not even European or FOSS are being recommended as alternatives and I think they do more harm than good for people that might need genuine help making this process more simple. They also tend to miss a lot of excellent alternatives.

For what it's worth, these lists oversimplify and can't take into account individual needs, so own research is always necessary IMO.

For me, it's paramount that the software we use is secure and privacy respecting / transparent. A great resource for good recommendations is: privacyguides.org .

[–] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

This is the pic that made me join

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Nice, if you have any questions about Lemmy feel free to ask

[–] 8000gnat@reddthat.com 4 points 8 hours ago

you love to hear it

[–] jamie_oliver@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

So as someone who recently went from MacOS to Linux (at least partially) Mint is terrible for macOS users. It is like going back to windows. I get it is the easiest for Windows users but maybe add a row for Macos to Fedora or something (but maybe it is too complicated, I just know most mac users would scoff at Mint's interface).

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Actually a solid point, we should suggest a flavor of Linux that prefers Gnome for Mac users. It's the closest default to their workflow afaik

[–] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Have you tried https://hyprland.org/? I installed on an Mac Air (2013) over Arch and it works surprisingly well. Otherwise, if you want the macOS touch you could try https://elementary.io/

[–] jamie_oliver@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I have not yet :) Currently using Fedora XFCE, my first distro (tried Mint as well but wasn't for me) as most others failed to install on my mac and Fedora workstation was too slow on the old thing.

XFCE is however really good for keyboard navigation, never have to touch my mouse. My biggest issue with GNOME coming from MacOS was that keyboard navigation in the GUI was very inconsistent. The part that I always liked with MacOS was overall design philosophy enforced everywhere. Still, for many Mac users GNOME is probably still preferable because it is so incredibly readable, just works and looks good.

I'll look into hyprland, thank you!

[–] treverflume@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Bazzite is also worth looking into if you enjoy fedora.

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago

I see that this is focused on foss alternatives streaming wide I would suggest mubi and your local library which often include streaming services. At least here in Germany.

[–] sevenOfKnives@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

signal is a good option for messaging. it is technically american, but i feel like FOSS projects should generally get a pass.

also, as an american who is very not okay with what our (russia's) government (puppet) is doing, wouldn't supporting non-american businesses mean paying the tariffs and supporting the oligarchs? i'm not really sure what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Signal is extremely expensive, they pay $15m+ to Google and Amazon because they don’t self-host so around half of their donations go directly to tech oligarchy

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

That's about to get a lot easier. How do you feel about a $3000 laptop? Car manufacturing might just stop temporarily. They've got a month to figure out how to change pretty major processes that companies may not have the current ability to change.

And let's see if they're going to move into the US or out.

[–] rowanthorpe@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

In the context of the parallels now being drawn between post-WW1 Germany's slide to WW2 and present-day USA's situation, I worry that the major quality-of-life hit starting to happen in the US might be at least slightly on purpose.

Aside from the "Krasnov" explanation for such intention (which seems compelling but I haven't yet seen enough evidence to have a strong opinion either way about), another perhaps simpler explanation (either instead of or in addition to that) could be that he is gambling that the same poor, disempowered, uneducated subset of people in the US who end up being easily stirred into a military mindset fever are the same ones who will easily forget that the leader promising them their "national pride and identity" back is the same one whose decisions accelerated that very descent into poverty, disempowerment, and poor education (& undermined press) in order to create that pliable situation.

I vividly remember in history class seeing the photos from the post-Versailles-treaty period, of German kids flying kites made of nearly worthless Deutchmarks, and people with wheelbarrows full of notes paying for bread. Hitler was able to so easily stir up people "with no hope or dignity left" by promising prosperity based on building autobahns, factories, etc - manipulating their despair to hijack rational or compassionate thought. Anyone informed and principled enough to see through that slide to madness and act accordingly ended up running for their lives (along with the many others who had to run just for being born a certain way). It looks a bit like the situation in the US is on the precipice of sliding that way, with the compounding factor that online click-hungry faux-press and automated disinformation/propaganda bots on social networks are able to very quickly create and maintain cult-like bubbles in which a "leader" can manufacture shadows and "instruct" followers to jump at those shadows in the same breath, under the assumption that enough people will be gullible and/or lazy enough to fall for it unquestioningly.

I really think the people in the US who are not part of that subset need to be very proactive (in real-life terms, not just rage-scrolling & rage-clicking) in being the bulwark against that slide to madness, and right now - starting to react months from now might already be too late to avoid dangerous global conflicts escalating, and new ones starting. I am very wary of doom-and-gloom hyperbole, and aware that overstating things can risk fostering apathy instead of overcoming it, but I think this is one of those rare historic moments when such statements are not hyperbole.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 1 points 52 minutes ago

Agree 100% with everything you said. Trump could easily blame immigrants, woke, or invent a fake enemy to blame for the economic destruction etc he caused and MAGA would believe it.

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