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Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.

McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.

The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.

McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I would laugh my ass off that this bites him in the ass because it makes all scientific distinctions useless when making more laws. Just because his dumb ass doesn't understand the nuance.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

Damn. So that means all males (including me) are technically transgender.

I think I'll have some coffee, then.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 219 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Anyone who thinks this shit is funny is in for a rude awakening.

They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.

You don't get out on technicalities in fascism; if the autocrat in charge wants to do the thing, he will do it. All of these things will be used as cudgels against perceived political enemies, and marginalized US citizens.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I want people to try to be less pesimistic, the point is that technicalities like this will waste time. Every one of these exectuive orders is going to be challanged in court, and while the GOP controls the higher courts, these cases will start in the lower ones. With any luck, the lower courts will stay the order until things can get resolved. Every appeal, every challange takes time to process and judges are under no obligation to resolve things quickly.

The goal currently isnt to try and overturn the order, thats just pissing into the wind. The goal is to waste their time for 2 years and hope the house flips, if it does, we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.

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[–] TheTux@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This. In much the same way an elder god doesn't give a damn about conservation of energy or the square cubed law, a dictator with effectively un-checked power doesn't care about wording of executive orders or LAWS. Be careful.
Cthulu has woken from eons (4 years) of slumber (not being president) to ravage the planet, while looking like a moldy cheese puff.

Edit: thankfully he's not nearly as powerful as this metaphor implies, but the point stands. The law won't stop him, I don't trust the Dems to stop him, the only thing that will is worker's might.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 199 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

Theres two possible interpretations due to the at conception bit I think. Either he made everyone a woman, or he abolished gender all together. Either way this EO make Trump the single largest gender changer in history as he just changed the gender of either ~150 million or ~300 million people.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 1 week ago

It's fun to think about the hypotheticals, but the reality here is that it does not matter the exact words in the EO. We know what they mean, and they won't let some silly technicality stop them.

I really would like to see some people ask for a divorce off the fact that they were married under false pretenses. They believed they were marrying a man.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago

"At conception" leaves no room for interpretation - he abolished gender altogether.

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[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 134 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm not sure what is more disconcerting. That the people in charge truly are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Or that those idiots have outplayed and outsmarted the Democrats at damn near every turn for 20+ years.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
– The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

One team is trying to govern, and the other team is trying to win.

If Democrats lied constantly, denied science, sowed fear and hatred, and used the law to enforce their personal religious beliefs... They'd be indistinguishable from Republicans.

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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 114 points 1 week ago (11 children)
[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You've heard of non-binary gender, get ready for its upgraded form: unary gender

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ope we're all gay now. Time to grab the most outrageous outfit you can come up with and get in the parade everybody.

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Urinary gender???

Any of y'all wanna join the Peepee Club? Urine!

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!

[–] superkret@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago

Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 87 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I think the bigger issue is hiding in plain sight:

a person belonging, at conception

Personhood does not begin at conception.

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We all know that's why the mistake was made. It's not exactly rocket surgery.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

It’s a P2025 script. Oklahoma made it into law into September, with the same ridiculous misunderstanding of basic biology. It doesn’t matter, they know who they are supposed to oppress.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Trump: "You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception."

Science: "Everyone starts out as women and don't become men until 6 weeks after conception."

Trump: "That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl."

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump decided he wanted to be the first female president obviously. Don't you liberals understand 5d chess!?

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[–] kablammy@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 week ago

At least McBride can now use the women's restrooms in the Capitol. And so must all the other politicians!

[–] eodur@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does this make him officially the first woman president? So progressive.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If it's retroactive, then we haven't had a single male president.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don't blame the precious voters!) don't really understand science.

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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bad headline IMO, she's more so pointing out more flaws in it which is different than laughing it off

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

"This is logically flawed because " won't really bother a bunch of Young Earth Creationists. You're arguing with people who will retreat to the baseline argument "because God said so" in a pinch. Getting into the messy details of embryonic development won't save you, because that's not how their nominations to the FBI, the DOJ, or the Federal Judiciary are going to interpret any of it.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago (23 children)

Actually it being poorly written helps a lot with court challenge. That was one of the reasons why so much was overturned in his first administration. There was a fear that this time he'd sign better written executive orders that would survive challanges instead we're getting a lot of them like this

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Its so stupid that the government of one of the world's most powerful countries is occupying itself trying to restrict people's healthcare and bathroom usage based on some poorly understood and arbitrary rules about zygotes. Meanwhile, the planet burns.

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