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I don't know if I'm going crazy but looking at the current situation in the world ... please tell me that I'm overexagurating

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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 88 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

please tell me that I’m overexagurating

You're overexaggerating.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Mach mal nicht so'n Fass auf.

Einfach locker durch die Hose atmen.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Man kann jetzt noch schneller ekk'n

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Nah, there won't be WW3. Instead we get countries sabotaging each other via hacking critical infrastructure, proxy wars, propaganda, trade wars.

I doubt there will ever be a direct "hot war" between the top five nuclear powers ever again.

WW3 is not what's gonna kill people, climate change is more likely gonna be humanity's downfall.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

No. It’s bad for the economy.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The number one thing I've learned through the last several decades is that if it's bad for the economy, no one will do it. Greed is the number one driver of everything right now. Maybe that will change, but I doubt it. Look at all the positive progress we try to make, it's stopped the second anyone rich would lose any money.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Russia fucked their own economy.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Meanwhile, in the real world. Russian economy is booming, and the World Bank just reclassified Russia as a high income country https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/world-bank-country-classifications-by-income-level-for-2024-2025

The IMF forecasts that Russian economy is set to grow faster than all the western economies https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/17/russia-forecast-to-grow-faster-than-advanced-economies-in-2024-imf.html

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[–] ReanuKeeves@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You could not be more wrong

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's bad for certain parts of the economy and it is dangerous for current rulers.

[–] ReanuKeeves@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Economy is cyclical, always either heading into a recession or coming out of a recession. A capitalist society requires constant money flow for expansion which is why interest rates are lowered during recessive times to stimulate expenditure and raised during peak to control expansion. World wars put spending into overdrive.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

To the wealthy, volatility is opportunity. Yeah, the market will go down for a while, and later it'll go back up. Billionaires will cash in both ways.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 27 points 2 weeks ago

The situation today is nowhere near as bad as the Cold War.

Think of it this way. All of the 0.01%ers in china, USA and Russia share the same tastes and values. Think any of them are really hot to blow up their nice places on the Rivera?

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been expecting WW3 since 1983.

[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 4 points 2 weeks ago

Only Wiseman in the thread.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Could already be going. We didn't name them World War 1 and World War 2 until after they were over

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Is already going for the last 10 years.

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[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In 2001 there was that 9/11 thing and it sounded like WW3 had just started. Turns out, it didn't. Well, lots of things did happen as a result of it, but WW3 wasn't one of them. Soon after that, USA was involved in a number if wars in the middle east and it felt like WW3 had just started. Again, it didn't. Some time around 2010s the tension between North Korea and South Korea was getting pretty intense, and a friend of mine started talking WW3... As usual, WW3 didn't start.

At the moment, the situation in Ukraine feels just like all the other major incidents, but we'll see how it works out. If you expose your mind to tabloid journalism, it begins to feel like the entire world is about to explode. History has a tendency of repeating itself, so I suggest reading about the things that lead to WW1 and WW2. Once, you've done that, you'll begin to pay attention to certain signs and start ignoring most of the nonsense tabloids keep writing about.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's just survivorship bias, you didn't live through the worlds where all those things escalated into flat out war, you dimension skipping hippie.

I’m a very picky hippie when it comes to dimensions.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 12 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

No.

Russia (the current primary aggressor) is on the brink of a banking system collapse. It doesn't have the money to wage war on a bigger scale than it already is.

China is far more interested in trade than hostilities.

The middle east has been a tinder box for over a hundred years. I don't see it dragging outsiders into it and hopefully we have a respite coming.

Central Asia has tension between India and Pakistan, but that's nothing new. India could piss off China or the reverse, and if that kicked off the loss of life could be on a scale that would be unprecedented but still I think it wouldn't drag the west in.

The US has joined the party

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[–] iii@mander.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago

It's reminiscent of the cold war.

[–] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 11 points 2 weeks ago (25 children)

I think that the true world war 3 will not be nations against nations, but citizens against their own nations. The stage is set for an actual paradigm shift or system annihilation. We will not support civilization if it doesn't change, either the people destroy the pyramid or the pyramid will destroy the world.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

According to the Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, we are closer to nuclear war now than ever in history. Closer than when boomers were doing school duck and cover drills.

2024 Doomsday Clock Statement: A moment of historic danger: It is still 90 seconds to midnight

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

No thanks. Appreciate the offer though, very kind of you.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Star Trek says that we shouldn't expect World War 3 until 2026, so we've got 1 more year to live to the fullest before then.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think so.

Primarily because there's not economic benefit in it for the ruling class.

Also, we've made the experience of the war in the middle east around 2000 where the USA couldn't even occupy a farmer's state for more than a couple years.

I don't think anybody realistically thinks they can take over another (big) country in this time.

[–] con_fig@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago

Famously the same was said about WWI re the economic benefit.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Anything could happen of course, but I don't see this as a likely scenario myself. What's more likely is that we return to bloc competition similar to what we saw during the Cold War. Except this time it's going to be G7 against the BRICS.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I think it has already started. It just hasn't consolidated yet.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You never really know, it's plausible. But I doubt it. It doesn't seem any more likely now than it did in 2016.

Ceasefire in Gaza for a minimum of 6 weeks (if I understood the news correctly) is huge. That conflict might be close to over if we're lucky.

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[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

I am personally looking for a few things that will concern me about escalation:

  • Japan and Finland making active land claims to Russia (actively reoccupying disputed land with troops)

  • Europe putting peace keepers in Western Ukraine (which will create a casus belli for war with Russia), specifically France and the UK. I mean, Poland as well, but if Poland says they are putting peacekeeping troops in Ukraine, Russia should either back off or assume war.

  • South Korean troops in Ukraine. (Ridiculous given their current chaos, but stranger things have happened in the last year).

Other than that, the russian frog has been very well boiled for 3 years. Even China has probably gone back to the drawing board on a taiwan invasion, and added a delay until 10 millions drones are available.

I do have concerns trump will pull the us back in europe, making the second item above possible if not likely. The first trump presidency shook us primacy in europe, and the second may see it start to unravel. If europe has to take russia alone, the us should consider china a personal problem from now on (as well as any other concerns not near europe), as no one will see value in going to war with a fair-weather ally.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

When Trump was elected again I spent about 3 weeks living with an existential dread I've never in my life felt before.

Whenever it happens, it is coming.

It’ll take longer than 2 years. It’ll take a decade.

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