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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 130 points 20 hours ago

They all thought the foreign company paid the tariff.

This is probably what Trump thinks, too. I can easily believe he is that stupid.

I'm also wondering just what the fuck Trump and co. are going to do with all the money obtained from these tariffs. Just, like, spend it all on hookers and blow or what? Remember how you all believed this was the party of "low taxes?" Yeah, guess what a tariff is, fuckers.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 42 points 19 hours ago

This is probably what Trump thinks, too.

100%. If he isn't reading it from a script that someone else wrote, he knows nothing about the topics he's talking about.

He even boasts about "knowing more than anyone about XYZ", yet, it can't expand on the subject, can't answer questions about it, is vague, and reminds me of how really bad LLMs answer questions.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 41 points 19 hours ago

I found some additional articles on what he said about this, and he did indeed flat out say he expects the "other countries" to pay the tariffs. For instance, this.

A sweeping tariff policy will kill two birds with one stone, Trump says: It could find a new source of revenue for the U.S. government, which could offset losses from lowering or eliminating certain forms of income tax, while extracting money from rival governments.

That's not how tariffs have worked at any point in history.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 17 points 19 hours ago

Yup. He does a great job "selling" ideas that simply aren't grounded in reality.

Like that wall that Mexico was going to pay for. What an idiot. Did his base think the United States would just send Mexico a bill for work completed and expect them to pay it? You couldn't make this buffoonery up!

[-] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 11 points 18 hours ago

I had a boss like this. Had all these million dollar ideas but no capacity to consider that someone else had the same idea and it either made no damn sense or it had already been done and people went to jail for it. Motherfuckers dream up grifts halfway and think everyone else is an idiot or sucker for not acting on the "golden opportunity".

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[-] Djtecha@lemm.ee 5 points 16 hours ago

When it's returned to the feds it's just destroyed. Federal return is just the return of debt, it's not more money.

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[-] genXgentleman@lemmy.world 50 points 18 hours ago

I don't know if this post is true or not. However, a lot of people don't know history, civics, & economics. (This is the result of the Reagan & Bushes dismantling of the education system.) I've told a lot of people to look up the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 and the impact it had on our and the global economy. Tariffs will start a trade war. That's what happened to our farmers the last time Trump was in office. He ended up having to bail out farmers which cost more than the tariff brought into the government. The Chinese simply bought their soy beans from other countries instead of paying for ours. There were a lot of farmers that lost their farms then.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago

I have been told many times to feel bad for those farmers, that they aren't idiots, etc.

I thought I ran of fucks for them but a few more just flew out like butterflies from a dusty chest.

I hope ever single one that put up those massive Trump signs loses their family farms to big corporations.

[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

We need fewer corporate farms, which are dirty as fuck now let alone after they gut the USDA. I hope that they lose their family farm to two gay dudes from Vermont who got really into organic gardening and decided to cash in their b&b for corgis to start growing high quality produce right here in America's heartland.

[-] Halosheep@lemm.ee 23 points 18 hours ago

I'm sure the corporate farmers were happy to buy up that land and cut the trump admin a nice check for the convenience.

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[-] chellewalker@lemmy.ca 64 points 18 hours ago

To be honest, this kind of feels to me like the boss was just looking for an excuse to not have to pay workers.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 63 points 18 hours ago

I mean, he got it and it's actually a good one. Uncertain finances tend to cut into bonuses of all types.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 16 hours ago

I mean the whole point is paying a tariff so American companies make the goods instead for less.

But if paying Chinese poverty wages and tariffs is still less than paying Americans to do it, then guess what they're going to do?

[-] CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee 19 points 16 hours ago

It's also dumb to just assume that foreign companies can just flip a switch and start building/assembling whatever they sell in America. You need facilities, you need to hire employees, you need to train employees. You can't just pick up your factory, drop it in Kansas, and just slot people into the building to work it right away.

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Also, unless your plan is to exclusively export to the US, then it's less cost effective to open up new facilities in the US. You just raise prices and and have the consumers take the hit for the tariff. There's also the problem of logistics for raw materials for whatever products your manufacturing. Those also tend to cost more to acquire stateside.

The worst part is that policy is only a single bullet in the policy foot gun Trump has loaded. It gets even more expensive when the low cost labor is suddenly deported and/or put in camps. Which I realize isn't even the worst thing about the immigration policy, but just pointing out that it too has consequences to these same people.

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[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 104 points 21 hours ago

Is the owner of the company purchasing a year's worth in order to keep the price they charge down, or in order to raise prices in February when their customers expect it because of the new tariffs, and pocket the difference? While having avoided paying bonuses?

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 110 points 21 hours ago

Obviously I don't know the business in question, but it's quite possible that the company has a bunch of longer running contracts that would become a loss if the inputs become much more expensive.

Of course, businesses will use the opportunity to charge more, but sudden price hikes are a very real problem.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 49 points 21 hours ago

This is almost certainly what's happening. The proposed tariffs will be very hard on American businesses and devastating for the consumer. It's quite literally a fairly severe tax on domestic companies and the American people. But, honestly, we could do with a less consumerism in this country. Unfortunately, it's likely to cause a tough economic downturn that will hurt poor people the most.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 19 hours ago

that will hurt poor people the most.

As is tradition.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Be hilarious if Trump simultaneously collapses the economy and starts a green movement built around an inherent need for a second hand economy.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

Stranger things have happened. Like him getting elected, for instance.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 42 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Large and small manufacturing companies have contracts for orders for months to years out with set prices, some of which might have wiggle room for costs but not to this extent. Plus manufacturing already tries to balance out costs across projects due to fluctuating prices for materials. If their materials double (or more) in price they will be screwed by the contracts and guaranteed to lose money on all of them.

Buying at the current prices means they will have to pay to have the materials stored in a warehouse, which will cut into their planned profits for those existing contracts. Hell, they might be buying at a higher cost than they normally would when fulfilling the contracts.

The company is getting screwed, not trying to fleece customers or their employees.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 15 points 20 hours ago

I'm pleasantly surprised how level headed the replies to that comment are.

[-] AcidOctopus@lemmy.ml 23 points 20 hours ago

Without having more detail I can't speak with certainty, but, general principles of inventory management and cash flow discourage having a surplus of stock, as that ties up a significant amount of working capital in the costs of storing and handling it all - you risk not being able to pay your liabilities because you've sunk all your funds into inventory that hasn't yet sold and generated more revenue.

Companies often have longer term contracts with specific prices agreed that can't always be easily changed. Those contacts could quite easily become unprofitable if there are sudden increases to the direct costs of fulfilling them. So, rather than trying to fuck customers, this company is likely trying to stock-up at current market prices to ride-out the first year of tariffs, but in doing so, needs a large injection of working capital to cover the expenditure (hence cancelling bonuses), and also puts itself in a very vulnerable position where cash flow is concerned by tying up that capital in inventory - any further sudden and unexpected costs could lead to the business folding.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 18 points 20 hours ago

That's the thing though, most customers don't expect the price increase because they're fucking idiots who believes tariffs are good for the economy.

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[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 11 points 14 hours ago

Guise, I'm struggling. Part of me says...let them all burn for their "fuck around and find out".

But I know that isn't completely right. I just, am, so, angry (and sad).

Will probably choose the let them burn route.

[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 13 hours ago

Wow, the turn around time on that was fast.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 53 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The truly enraging thing about the voters who said they voted for trump due to economic concerns is HOW IN THE GODDAMNED FUCK do they think he's going to fix anything? To the extent that a president can change the cost of living, among the worst ideas is probably to fucking add fees to imports. This is his one idea and yet no one can explain to him the extremely simple negative effect that it would have on consumers.

This absolute fucking dope had one terrible idea for helping lower prices (which will certainly raise them) and the voters lapped it up without thinking. America is full of morons.

[-] TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 37 points 18 hours ago

Studies generally show the economy does better under Democrats than Republicans, in measurements of CPI, GDP, job growth, and unemployment. Republicans however have a massive propaganda machine that has gaslit the country in believing the opposite. Frequently this is backed by short term plays that make things "feel" better but cause significant long term problems. Like a CEO firing the QA team, line goes up this quarter and by the time the consequences arrive they're gone and blame the next guy.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

They're operating under a lot of propaganda, and no understanding of economics. They're ignorant of the fact that Trump inherited the economy that Obama fixed, which is why at the time under Trump things were better. They're ignorant of the fact that Trump fucked everything up with his handling of the pandemic, previous tarrifs, and in turn fucked the economy up on the way out. They're ignorant that Biden was trying to clean up Trump's mess, and instead assign blame to Biden.

And every after all that, there is still the added fact that the president doesn't directly control the economy, and has limited options. But that doesn't matter to them. They've been sold a simple solution to a complicated problem.

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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 91 points 21 hours ago

Unfortunately, this kind of ignorance comes from a weakening of our education system. It's not just on them that this has happened, and its only going to get worse if we don't try to stop it.

[-] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 39 points 21 hours ago

Hey, exactly! The fact that we are even allowing this nonsense is a true testimony to how extremely important education is! If you remain ignorant, you are more easily persuaded to believe anything because you aren't taught what "bullshit" is, and have no real ability to think for yourself.

Education is freedom from ignorance.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago

And that's why red states are slashing school budgets en masse and continue to have consistently terrible academic performance.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 22 points 21 hours ago

Don't forget the propaganda.

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 52 points 20 hours ago

Hold MAGA voters accountable for their choices. Every. Single. Day.

Thanks Trump.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 41 points 19 hours ago

I'm about to print off about a million of those "I did that!!" stickers that the magats loved to stick on gas pumps. You better believe those things are going everywhere.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

Make sure to get pictures of the prices before and after and then toss them on the products with the new price.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 19 hours ago

I don't want to put blame directly on individual voters, in the sense that they might be able to learn in 4 years, and "Trump did that" only addresses the symptom of the problem. "MAGA did that" sounds apt to me.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 14 points 19 hours ago

They didn't learn in 2016, why would they now?

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago

2025, Chinese year of the Leopard

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 55 points 21 hours ago

Trump's Tariffs are BIDENS FAULT! And they'll STILL be Biden's Fault EVERY TIME I vote for the man who LITERALLY campaigned on creating these Tariffs!

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 29 points 21 hours ago

"you won't have to vote anymore" --the diaper, july 2024

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[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 32 points 20 hours ago

not exactly shocking, not the first time Trump has made tariffs. Last time they drove the cost of house construction up.

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[-] DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee 33 points 21 hours ago
[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 41 points 21 hours ago

It will.

Unfortunately, it will also hurt those who wanted nothing to do with Trump's lies.

Everyone, except the rich, will suffer. Thanks for voting! /s

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