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[-] Digital_man@lemmy.one 153 points 1 week ago

How is this NOT election interference ?

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago

They're paying people to collect signatures... not for the signatures themselves. This is specifically allowed in most (all?) states for organizations to be able to pay people a wage to spend the time collecting signatures for ballot initiatives. Most states require the person collecting signatures to be registered with the state if they are being paid however. So unless they're doing that and sponsoring and registering every person collecting these signatures with the State, they are likely still violating the law there. Volunteer unpaid circulators don't have to be registered, but if you're getting paid for it, you're probably required to be registered to an organization that's responsible for what you do.

Note: This is usually done via a standard hourly wage, or a price per sheet of good signatures. Many sigs (I've seen 1/3 to 1/2) are thrown out because the requirements are extremely strict for processing. A good signature or sheet of signatures can be completely invalidated by an error made by the person collecting it, or because it's on a page with the wrong county listed (even though every signature line also requires an address to verify). Simple errors unrelated to signatures get entire pages thrown out.

Source: Was trained and registered as a paid petition circulator with the State of Arizona earlier this year.

[-] Digital_man@lemmy.one 21 points 1 week ago

Wow , really appreciate this answer.

The whole thing to me is unsettling because of how gamified and crowd sourced it is. As if it’s some sort of gofundme page

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Oh it definitely skirts the line.

https://apps.azsos.gov/apps/election/circulatorportal/

Pursuant to Arizona Law (A.R.S. § 19-118; A.R.S. § 16-321; A.R.S. § 19-205.01), a circulator must register with the Secretary of State's Office if the circulator:

  1. is not a resident of this state and will circulate candidate petitions, recall petitions, or statewide initiative or referendum petitions,
  2. is paid to circulate recall petitions, statewide initiative or referendum petitions (whether or not the circulator is a resident of this state).

Thinking about it more, and looking more into what's actually being done however... this doesn't appear to an official petition of any kind as far as I can see. It's basically a petition.org page, and just as useless. And they're paying people for it. Free money to sign people up for unlimited bullshit emails and junk mail from the MAGA team forever.

Also, it seems this tweet was deleted? I can't find it on Elon's page anymore, unless it's just their bullshit algorithm putting other shit on top now instead of being obviously chronological.

[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 30 points 1 week ago

Oh it is. It’s just that Trump is doing SO much illegal shit, he’s overloading our system of law to the point where it can’t keep up anymore.

He won’t live long enough for our system to prosecute him for everything- so he’s going for broke.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Same in Hungary, where anti-hate speech laws are only being enforced seldom, and the last such incident was due to an opposition politician saying "heterosexual white christian man" on TV, while the now doxxed editors of kuruc info can still deny the holocaust on their foreign hosted webshite, that is also being partly funded by a Florida Republican (of course).

[-] ochi_chernye@startrek.website 4 points 1 week ago

I heard a really depressing podcast the other day about all the cooperation between Republicans and Orban. They're well on their way to destroying democracy here as well.

[-] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

They'll fix it retroactively once they get to power

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Southern states have had their judiciary replaced with incompetents and yes-men. Regulatory agencies in many states are entirely broken.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Weeeeellllllllll does your bank account have seemingly 10000 lifetimes worth of money? That'll tell you if it's legal or not for you to do it.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Rules? Where we’re going we don’t need rules.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago

I live in a swing state. Are we saying I could offer registered voters $20 for their signatures and turn a profit?

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 120 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Assuming Elon actually pays, sure.

Totally unrelated fun fact: Twitter HQ moved because Elon refused to pay rent and got evicted.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Good point.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago

I think it's drawn at porn/prostitution lines. You cant pay for a signature but you can pay someone to get signatures.

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[-] drdabbles@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Not sure it breaks any laws, but I love how they show how slow the process would be. The election would be over before any of it mattered, and if Trump won, it's federal so he could pardon any of it.

See below. It would take minimum 50 days just to start the process... Which isn't even anything but letters at that point.

"Notice to respondents Within five days after receiving a proper complaint, OGC sends each respondent a copy of the complaint and a description of the Commission's compliance procedures. The respondent has 15 days from the date of receipt to respond in writing, explaining why no action should be taken. In the case of a complaint that does not satisfy the requirements, the respondent nevertheless receives a copy of the complaint and an explanation that the complainant has 15 days to correct the complaint. If the complainant corrects and refiles the complaint, the respondent is sent a copy of the corrected complaint and is given 15 days to submit a response to the Commission."

[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

They really didn't think this pardon thing through, did they?

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[-] BlueZen@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

corruption yes, but what's to stop an organized group, having one member refer the other hundred members, split the money, then not vote the way the pledge is implying they should. (democrats do support the Constitution, some could argue more than the maga lip service)

. * wink *

not saying anyone should do it... purely theoretical thought experiment

. * wink wink *

[-] Fester@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago

At best you’ll get a lifelong avalanche of mental illness-inducing spam to your mailbox, phone, text, and email.

At worst you’ll get money taken from your bank account without your knowledge. I wouldn’t trust anything that has to do with Trump with your bank account info, even as a joke.

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

I don't understand why Elon is fighting for free speech while at the same time banning people on his platform for saying certain words like cis, anything leftist and anyone saying anything bad about him. When Elon is so pro free speech, why not stop the censorship on his own platform?

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 20 points 1 week ago

Conservatives are passionate about "free speech" because "free speech" is much more politically viable than "calling people slurs".

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

My friend, Elon is not fighting for free speech. It's not just him, but because he owns that company, it looks extra bad when he shows his own hypocrisy. Many Washington Democrats and Republicans wish they could censor anyone they disagree with. They only pretend to support the First Amendment when it's something that backs their agenda.

Also, for someone like him, being hypocritical is a virtue. He's signaling to potential allies that he's willing to ignore the rules if they would inconvenience him and his friends.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah I wonder.

\s

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Same republicans froth at their mouth because “DeMoCraTS aRE BuSinG VoTErs!!!!!” without even a shred of proof

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Providing rides to registered voters should be seen as a positive quality in a developed society.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago

He is fighting for free speech as much as the Republic of North Korea is a republic.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

I can't believe he's not offering $69 because he's a chud

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Yes but also, some people in swing states are going to make a lot of money signing up registered never trumpers. If I'm any kind of large social group we're all signing it. Yeah we each only get 47 dollars but together we can make Elon hurt right in the wallet.

Every eligible voter in those states signing would be ~2 billion from some rough estimates.

Would be funny, but I won't get my hopes up on him paying out anything on that.

[-] Geldaran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

You actually believe he has any intention of paying anyone?

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I bet my home on that "free speech" means "people cannot call us racist for calling black people the N-word" in this case...

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

All I see is a big sign that says "Free $47, paid for by your sucker in chief"

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

His record of not paying bills makes that unlikely

[-] sudo42@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nah, it’s corruption only when poor people do it. When rich people do it it’s just “smart business”.

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

If he's anything like his new king, he won't pay a cent to any of the chuds that take him up on this offer

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Do they have to be real people?

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, but they don't have to be red voters

[-] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

Am I desperate enough to sell out for $47

Not yet...

[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

Buying an election. Gotcha.

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[-] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

sooo, if i send spam E-Mails to a bunch of american peoples, i get tons of money? i dont even need to be in the state? Ez

[-] kia@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Will you have to refund him when Trump loses?

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 1 week ago

Wait. I get paid $47 to refer a friend to sign a petition to get bombarded with MAGA bullshit? Good thing. I am capable of making "real" good friends in swing states. I imagine they won't be bothered with getting spam emails.

[-] dodeca@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Do this, and also do the Cards Against Humanity $100. https://www.apologize.lol/

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

What does it mean to register in America? If you're registered as democrat, what does that mean?

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Only registered Democrats can vote in a Democratic primary election, where the Democratic party selects its candidates for a general election.

Only registered Republicans can vote in a Republican primary election, where the Republican party selects its candidates for a general election.

Party registration plays no role in a General election: you can vote for anyone, even if they are not a member of your own party.

Voter registration (as opposed to party registration) is simply a declaration of your residency and thus eligibility to vote in elections at the state, county, city, congressional district, school district, ward, and possibly even lower level elections. (Three homeowners on my small, dead-end dirt road are the only ones eligible to "vote" on whether a special tax should be assessed against our properties to pave our road. )

[-] shottymcb@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Not all states are like that, a few have open primaries.

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[-] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

What exactly do you mean by corruption?

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