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[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 137 points 1 month ago

Boomers: have more kids! we need the workforce

Boomers: all those taxes that made our families possible - nah fuck that. Keep the minimum wage locked for 15 years.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago
[-] Vertelleus@sh.itjust.works 58 points 1 month ago

Also Boomers, "Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage."

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago

And yet, the person who created literally said it was.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Ok then let's change it to be so? Do we want people to do those jobs or not?

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

You used to be able to buy an entire house, pay the mortgage, support a small family, and still have minimal left over. One salary. Companies used to reward loyalty more than they do so you didn't need to job hop to get anywhere. Universities were affordable, like you could work any job and pay for the semester from that.

Someone more familiar with the economic conditions correct me if I am wrong. Boomers could afford to live because venture capitalists weren't extracting all the value from the economy to buy yachts.

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[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Sure, in fact, I'm about to have a kid very soon.

Oh wow great. You know what it'll be yet?

Well of course, they'll be a wage slave, just like their parents.

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[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 104 points 1 month ago

Many people my age have terrible boomer parents who just had kids because "that's just what you do". They didn't even consider you could just not make babies.

Maybe we just think more for ourselves than the older generation.

[-] Glitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

Right??? My siblings have an 18 year span, I'll be 38 when the youngest graduates highschool. I feel like I already have kids, I'm doing so much emotional and financial support for these ones

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Worse in my case, I had the sort of parents who thought that more was better at any cost. My childhood really sucked.

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[-] hannesh93@feddit.org 93 points 1 month ago

For me it's the climate - no point in bringing a child in a world with a society that will inevitably collapse and a possible world war over land that's still inhabitable.

Adoption maybe - but for me more children only equal more future suffering - and if not for my children because it'll be somehow possible to shield them from the worst then for a couple of others that have to suffer in exchange when western countries pull up the drawbridge and let the global south deal with the mess they made for those countries...

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 87 points 1 month ago

Also, *gestures wildly around themself* look at the state the world is in. Which sane person would want to bring a child into this fucked up world?

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Well, you and similar people know the world is fucked up, but there's a lot more people out there swimming in the ignorance of simply believing everything is fine or that the people raising problems are catastrophising and that everything will somehow work out.

Those people will keep having kids even if basically every sign pointed to the certainty of that kid's life ending early during some kind of traumatic existential struggle.

There's just a percentage of society who simply don't put in much thought beyond their immediate existence and future. That's almost definitely bad in the grand scheme of things, but I guess on the flip side, they potentially live happier lives in ignorance before getting blipped out of existence.

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[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

We won't have kids because, despite doing everything right, despite working hard, we're struggling with finances. Kids wouldn't be affordable without an extra job, and most of work two already!

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

This, but also if it’s this bad for me, why would I create more people to partake?

[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

I have some kids and it’s incredibly bittersweet listening to them talk about the little art and music they create. They talk about painting pictures and making songs, being able to live in a nice house while doing that for a living.

Nope, have to be STEM, a nurse, a teacher, or learn a trade, kiddo. All those other degrees are fucking worthless and won’t get you a decent job.

[-] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Teacher isn't going to make them much money and most don't last more than 6 years.

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[-] muculent@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

When we grew up wondering how we would address overpopulation, impoverishment wasn't something we had in mind.

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[-] ElJefe@lemm.ee 39 points 1 month ago

I’m a millennial… aren’t we a bit old for this shit anyway?

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

We're going to be retiring soon, some of the older millennials, and they're still going to be telling us to have more kids lol.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

As a Class of 2000, aka OG Millennial, wtf are you talking about?

We're in our early 40s.

[-] ElJefe@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

That’s what I’m saying! Too old. Did you know the medical term for a pregnancy after 35 is geriatric pregnancy? Ya bro, we’re getting committed to the old folks home soon here, you and I.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Old folks home playing nothing but My Chemical Romance and Dr Dre + Eminem

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Unless you're talking about FIRE, no: the oldest millennials are in their early 40s and have two decades to go before traditional retirement age.

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[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 38 points 1 month ago

Not having kids is one of the biggest middle fingers to the capitalist machine. Take away their wage slaves and lets see how much good their money will do the rich.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

All these conspiracy theories about how the elites want to reduce the world population have always been nonsense. If you look, all the most vocal ones have been promoting population growth and when you look at history, downward population trends have only increased the common person's rights. They want a surplus of people so we fight amongst ourselves.

[-] sudo@lemmy.today 17 points 1 month ago

It's also the single best thing any individual could do to reduce their carbon footprint.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Hey government, are you paying attention?

  • You want families? Help people make more money and give them assistance affording literally everything, especially childcare, healthcare, housing, and education.
  • Republicans: If you actually care about families, help them afford things as stated above.
  • If you really believe in small government, make it easier for immigrants to become Americans.

Otherwise you're gonna be starting down the barrel of a demographic collapse that will drag America into an economic gutter it'll likely never class it's way out of. Like China.

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[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

Maybe if our leaders created a society more conducive to having kids more people would have them.

[-] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well it's 3 things for me:

  1. Too expensive
  2. Don't think I'd make a good dad, especially since:
  3. I really don't like children.

I'm not an antinatalist, though. I think we can still improve our situation, so I don't agree with choosing to not have children, because of the current state of the world, or because of fear it'll become too extreme. I guess it's possible you just want to wait to see if it gets any better, but personally speaking, if I were to have children, I'd choose to do so before I was 40. It isn't enjoyable for the child, for them to be born much later than that.

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[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 33 points 1 month ago
[-] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Why not both? Makes for a delightful breakfast

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

For me it's more about not subjecting a person to my own residual trauma and a society that's accelerating towards self-annihilation

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

I wonder how many won't have any due to the Weimar conditions in America or the looming climate apocalypse. In combination with financial issues I assume it is huge.

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[-] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For me, a Zennial, born between Millennial and Gen Z, I won't have kids due to following reasons:

  • My abyssal lack of/difficulties with social interaction (I'm practically an hermit), friendships and relationships (not sure what "loving someone" is/means; I feel more comfortable among literal "demonic entities" and computers than with people)
  • Climate changes turning Earth into a vision of underworld that even Dante couldn't imagine, with ever-increasing scorching temperatures.
  • Other complex and multifaceted political, societal, technological, esoteric, philosophical and scientific reasons too long to be summarized and enlisted.
  • And, of course, finances: it'd become worse for my hypothetical son/daughter.

Not that Earth and Nature couldn't bear more individuals (considering a mutual respect between the Homo sapiens and the whole biosphere, a respect that Homo sapiens clearly lacks), but the idea of a children growing in a world where 120°F/48°C is the "new normal" can't be bearable. Not to mention that Homo sapiens is walking towards extinction due to our poor relationship with the environment and with ourselves. Unfortunately, next generations will inevitably face ever-increasing, deadly issues. Not only humans, other animals too (some are already becoming extinct).

[-] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

Bro you are like my twin. Same generation same problems.

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[-] spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I guess we'll all just be childless cat ladies.

[-] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago

i see nightmares that i can't take care of my pets. a kid would destroy me, not just financially.

[-] Anivia@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago

Man, I just hate children and want none of that. A dog is enough responsibility for me

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[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 month ago

Kids are crushingly expensive in their early years... if you want to have a career at the same time...

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I'd love to have kids, but I don't feel like I can afford it, even though I make better money than many.

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