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Was tempted to call this "Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo" but a) A lot of Lemmy won't get the OG reference. and 2) "Boogaloo" has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.

Also, while it's Trump's 2nd debate of the season, it's Harris's first...

It's being run by ABC News at 9 PM Eastern time, 6 PM Pacific, I see MSNBC starts their coverage TWO HOURS EARLY. That's a lot of air time to fill, guys. Good luck!

Live updates, how and when to watch, debate rules, etc. here:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/

Link to the first debate thread here:

https://lemmy.world/post/16973660

That't it! Thanks for hanging with it everbody!

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[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 160 points 1 month ago
[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

I like this one.

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[-] Skanky@lemmy.world 152 points 1 month ago

OMG Trump is off the rails and i absolutely love it!

Moderator: "Just to be clear, you have a plan? "

Trump: "I have concepts of a plan?"

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 115 points 1 month ago

"I have the concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now!"

Holy shit, dude. You biffed that one hard.

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[-] Knives@lemmy.world 114 points 1 month ago

In the post debate interview, Tim Walz just referenced Trump as an old man yelling at clouds. I love it.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 111 points 1 month ago

“Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 109 points 1 month ago

"i'm a gun owner, we're not taking guns away." strongest opinion from a democrat i've heard on this topic.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 105 points 1 month ago

So here are my thoughts:

  • First, the obvious: Harris won handily. She was in her element, and just thoroughly excoriated Trump at every turn, while maintaining an optimistic tone.
  • But at the same time, Trump is probably not losing any of his base over his abysmal performance. Most of them probably didn't watch, and the few that did probably tuned out in favor of reading conservative bloggers' desperate spinning about halfway through.
  • The real question is how off-putting he's been for undecideds. He was pretty bad, but I'm aware enough of my own biases to wonder exactly how bad his behavior looks to undecideds.
  • On the issues, Harris didn't really have a stumble. I was pleasantly surprised by how well she handled the issue of Israel/Palestine, for example.
  • The moderators get a B for following up questions, a C- for mic handling, and an A- for calling it out when Trump's bizarre, rambling bullshit failed to even vaguely resemble an answer.

All in all, I didn't hate this (other than the sound of Trump's face hole).

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[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 93 points 1 month ago

"Donald trump was fired by 81 million people"

Throwing his catch phrase against him!

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago

From where I was sitting, it seemed like Harris beat the ever-loving-shit out him. He took every piece of bait she laid out. I'm not the target though, so I hope undecideds saw what I saw.

[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 1 month ago

Harris exceeded high expectations and Trump failed to meet incredibly low expectations.

Let the spin begin, but I saw what I saw.

[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

She's been fucking relentless. She spoke to him directly about how terrible he's been, I could hardly stay heated. That shit had to cut deep. She let each point sink in slowly....

Trump's going to need a burn unit after this...

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 78 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This… former President…

That pause. 👏

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago

"I AM RESPOND!"

"No sir we need to get to the next quest..."

"I AM RESPOND NOW!"

"No, Mr. President we need to..."

"I AM RESPOND!"

"Oh OK."

"THEY WEAK ME STRONG! HONK HONK!"

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[-] don@lemm.ee 59 points 1 month ago

HE’S GOT CONCEPTS OF A PLAN, KIDS, SHIT I’M ALL IN

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[-] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago

The take aways, there are illegals getting sent to jail for trans surgery that are then sent out to eat cats and abort born children near the Keystone Pipeline so that billions and millions and trillions of illegals can enter everyday.

Honestly, this comment is a bit crazy and stupid, but then I remember what I just watched and heard.

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[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 months ago
  1. “Boogaloo” has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.

I'm nowhere near ready to give up the fight on this one. Those bastards can pry "[Anything] 2: Electric Boogaloo" from my cold, dead hands.

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[-] mattd@programming.dev 54 points 1 month ago

Trump claims he only used to be racist 40 years ago

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[-] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Outsider view from across the pond:

It appears from the outset that the Trump camp is tripping over it's own feet and stepping on landmine after landmine. Literally all Harris seems to have to do is stay on message, bat off anything too controversial, and let the opposition's trousers fall down by themselves.

It'll be interesting either way. The only real surprise to me will be whether I'll learn about key moments from news outlets or from mad memez first.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 43 points 2 months ago

The bar is so low for him, he could literally shit himself on stage and his supporters would crow that it was a power move to own the libs.

Reasonable doesn't win elections here, vibes do. Its madness.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago

OMG, he's arguing with the moderators about whether or not a dog got eaten!

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

"A dictator who would eat you for lunch."

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Really good energy this time around, but Jesus, Trump is exhausting to listen to. No wonder crowds leave his rallies early. :)

Edit: Muted him, but I can hear my wife in the other room yelling "OH FUCK YOU!!!"

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

Trump has officially moved to the "no u" stage of his debate tactics.

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 48 points 1 month ago

There won't be another debate, lol.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He really wants to fight against Biden.
"You aren't running against Joe Biden, you're running against me"

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[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago

"I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now" -Trump

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[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

I live near Detroit. They are building an auto factory down the street from me where the Pistons used to play. That's not in Mexico

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[-] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

…and this…..former president…

She wanted to say idiot.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

"Those were your words."

"I dunno."

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In case anyone has forgotten re Afghanistan:

Trump admitted that it was his own doing:

speaking at a rally on 26 June [2021, he] even stated that he “started the process” and claimed Biden “couldn’t stop it” if he “wanted to”.

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

“Many many billions of dollars” IRS are you listening?

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[-] moon@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 month ago

I feel like she's using words like 'weak' to unsettle Trump and it's getting to him

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

The articles leading up to this were great. The punditry about how Harris couldn't afford one little gaffe or she's sunk.

No one seemed to remember her from senate hearings. No one remembered that she was a fucking prosecutor. She made a career out of manipulating people into self-incrimination. Her livelihood was arguing people into corners they couldn't escape. Exposing lies was her bread and butter. And she had to do so in a way that made it crystal clear to a dozen randos who were too dumb to get out of jury duty.

And Trump is a stupid, vain, easily manipulated hothead who lies about everything.

And the audience was American voters.

This is familiar territory for Harris. She knows this place like the inside of her eyelids.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

Whoops, he's debating Biden again.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just wish moderators would have the spine to hold Trump to the rules and just keep his mic muted and move on.

Maybe it is in the benefit of Harris given his rambling but I don't know.

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[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Six years later, he still doesn't have the healthcare plan he promised in two weeks.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

"President Trump, thank you" sounds more and more like "Shut the fuck up now, bitch" every time a moderator says it.

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[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Here's what I expect:

For Harris to "win": She needs to be able to go toe to toe with Trump. Any stuttering, nervousness, or uneasiness will be preyed upon, both immediately by Trump and afterwards in soundbytes and attack ads. She cannot have a "......we finally beat medicaid!" moment. She needs to show that she can stand up to him and give it as good as she can get it in real time. She is definitely at a bigger risk here. Trump will gaffe every 30 seconds and nobody will bat an eye. One gaffe by Harris could cost her the election. Trump will be spouting his firehose of lies while Harris won't be able to fact-check 1% in real time. Harris needs to be pretty much perfect from start to finish. Any mistakes can and will be exploited.

For Trump to "win": Expectations are really low here. He's not trying to reach new voters. He opely says he doesn't care about policy. He is doubling down on the racism and misogyny of his base. All he needs to do is control the narrative. Ignore the rules, talk louder, interrupt mid-sentence. It doesn't matter what gibberish he vomits out of his mouth. None of it will cause him to lose a vote. All he needs to do is dictate the narrative and pace of the debate. He solidifies his position among his base as the mysoginist who will put women back where they belong, and gives undecided voters doubt about whether she will be able to handle the pressure. I think as long as Trump forces everybody to play his games by his rules as he usually does, it'll be a "victory" for him. Or at the very least a tie. As long as he can portray himself as the strongman going forward, he's really got nothing to lose.

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

I understand now why rich people want Trump in office, he’s soft headed and will say or believe anything they want. They basically stroke his ego to get what they want

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago
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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

He's bringing up dictators who love him.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Question was about how Trump would solve the problem in Israel and Palestine. Trump: "Putin!"

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Apparently, Taylor Swift just responded to AI fakes of her supporting Trump by formally endorsing Harris.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ho ho ho. Going after his fragile ego by saying foreign leaders laughing at him.

He's going to go of the rails.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago

Notice he says he wants the war to end. Not that he wants Russia out of Ukraine. He wants the war to end with Russia getting what Putin wants.

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

In other words, I’ll just give Ukraine to Putin.

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