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Southwest Airlines, the fourth largest airline in the US, is seemingly unaffected by the problematic CrowdStrike update that caused millions of computers to BSoD (Blue Screen of Death) because it used Windows 3.1. The CrowdStrike issue disrupted operations globally after a faulty update caused newer computers to freeze and stop working, with many prominent institutions, including airports and almost all US airlines, including United, Delta, and American Airlines, needing to stop flights.

Windows 3.1, launched in 1992, is likely not getting any updates. So, when CrowdStrike pushed the faulty update to all its customers, Southwest wasn’t affected (because it didn’t receive an update to begin with).

The airlines affected by the CrowdStrike update had to ground their fleets because many of their background systems refused to operate. These systems could include pilot and fleet scheduling, maintenance records, ticketing, etc. Thankfully, the lousy update did not affect aircraft systems, ensuring that everything airborne remained safe and were always in control of their pilots.

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[-] qisope@lemmy.world 228 points 3 months ago

Or, for your consideration, could it perhaps be because they don't use crowdstrike?

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 3 months ago

Yeah, what? 3.1 not getting updates has nothing to do with this. Software developed for 3.1 can still be updated. This article is just silly.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

It isn't even a Windows update, but a software update.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 57 points 3 months ago

My Linux servers weren't affected either. I think it's because of Windows 3.1

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 3 months ago

My wife shared this with me yesterday, but I didn’t see it:

A joke tweet with an attached image of a smart refrigerator. The refrigerator displays a blue screen of death. The tweet reads “I can’t even open my fridge.” Another tweet is replying to it, taking it seriously and indicating they do not embrace smart technology.

Somebunny is gonna learn those things aren’t windows-based today!

[-] Peffse@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Just yesterday I had that exact "Tech enthusiast vs tech worker" meme play out. I wanted a timer to control the electrical outlet for an aquarium bubbler. Saleswoman really wanted to sell me this "smart" controller with an app that can program the outlet.

Me:"What happens when the app stops working?"

(saleswoman is frantically flipping the box over for answers)

Her:"...maybe...it keeps the existing timer?"

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I've got about six smart plugs that all stopped working because of lack of support. I am no longer interested in smart plugs.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 9 points 3 months ago

Shelly makes devices that are compatible with ESPHome and Tasmota, solving this problem.

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 months ago

For only way more time and money, you can buy a zigbee smart plug and a vendor agnostic zigbee hub flashed with FOSS, or you can buy a esp-based board, wire it up with a relay, and flash it with something like esphome.

Sure, it’s way more money and hours of work (cumulatively), but it won’t lose support!

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[-] noisefree@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I feel like every article out there is missing this and keeps blaming Windows Update vs an update pushed to a specific piece of software by a third-party developer. I get end-users not understanding how things work but tech writers should be more knowledgeable about the subject they write about for a living.

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[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 137 points 3 months ago

Best feature windows 3.1 has:

... it doesn't pop up message telling you to upgrade to windows 11.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 3 months ago

or add shitty AI tools without asking.

or constntly nag you to use their cloud storage

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Plus all them decks for solitaire!!!

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 23 points 3 months ago

My windows 10 PC is telling me I don't qualify for a free Windows 11 update, so I've got that going for me.

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[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Shhh don't give microsoft any ideas

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 87 points 3 months ago

Windows 3.1 didn’t have the BSOD. It just froze. I remember with Windows NT 4, when we first got the BSOD, being so grateful that Microsoft decided to actually tell us that our computer wasn’t going to recover from the error. Otherwise, we’d just be sitting there, waiting, hoping it would unfreeze itself.

It never did

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[-] fury@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Windows 3.1 did have a BSOD. It wasn't always fatal, you could try to hit enter to go back to Windows, but most of the time it wasn't really recoverable, Windows often wouldn't work right afterwards.

I ran into them all the time in 3.11 on our 486 which had some faulty RAM (the BSOD would even be scrambled). If we could get back to Windows after that, it'd just be in a zombie state where moving the mouse around would paint stuff over whatever was left on screen, and wouldn't respond to clicks or keypresses.

Fun times.

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Are you sure? I remember a long time ago being able to trigger a BSOD by opening Windows Calculator and dividing any number by 0. And I'm pretty sure that was 3.1 or 3.11.

In fact, I remember being able to change the color of the BSOD.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As another user mentioned, the BSOD first came in Windows NT 3.51.

But it definitely wasn’t in Windows 3.1 or Windows 3.11

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 78 points 3 months ago

The fact that they’re running 3.1 is not something to be proud of. They’re probably extremely vulnerable to any other attack.

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[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 76 points 3 months ago

This... Doesn't make me feel any better about flying Southwest

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[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

This is the "can't get a Word Document macro virus because I use the Corel WordPerfect Document type" kind of energy.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 months ago

One X user suggested that the company switch to Windows XP—it’s also no longer updated, and it can run Windows 3.1 applications via compatibility mode.

Maybe that was a joke, but if anything that would reduce their security. Windows 3.1 and 95 are old enough that they can't even run most stuff from the last two and a half decades, which probably protects them. XP is just new enough, and plenty old enough, to be very risky.

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 27 points 3 months ago

Reminds me of an episode of Ghost in the Shell where a hacker in a hyper-advanced cyberised society was using floppy disks as a storage medium because they were so slow.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 28 points 3 months ago

One of the background details I liked in Ghost in the Shell was how the high-end data analysts and programmers employed by the government did their work using cybernetic hands whose fingers could separate into dozens of smaller fingers to let them operate keyboards extremely quickly. They didn't use direct cybernetic links because that was a security vulnerability for their brains.

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[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 3 months ago

Holy crap, they are serious. I though I was on !programmer_humor@programming.dev for a minute. I sure hope none of those computers are connected to the internet. There's a massive number of vulnerabilities in windows 3.1 and windows 95.

[-] krdo@programming.dev 21 points 3 months ago

Windows 3.1 doesn't even come with a TCP/IP stack. It's actually pretty safe.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 months ago

As long as that's the exact version they're using. Windows for workgroups 3.11 has networking.

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[-] BingBong@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 months ago

Is this actually confirmed anywhere though? I keep seeing it repeated and the only 'source' is a ?xeet? .

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 8 points 3 months ago

Same, I'm pretty sure it's not true.

[-] radivojevic@discuss.online 23 points 3 months ago

This is both awesome and frightening for many reasons

[-] jkjustjoshing@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

I’m inclined to believe this post, claiming this article is BS https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/112825798853315264

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[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Maybe don’t pay a company to install a rootkit on your critical infrastructure?

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 23 points 3 months ago

Just open up your critical infrastructure to the public Internet and you’ll get rootkits for free.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 3 months ago

If they still use Windows 3.1 and it works, then I do have to wonder about the rest of their security setup.

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[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

So...Battlestar Galactica scenario?

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Windows 3.1? You fancy kids, and your modern operating systems! What's wrong with Windows 1.0???

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[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 months ago

That makes fuckall sense.

Windows 3.1 not being updated by Microsoft has nothing to do with Crowdstrike rolling out an update to their Falcon Sensor software including a file with 42kB of zeroes.

On Windows 3.1 you probably can't run Falcon Sensor, so in that way it could be related. But it seems way more likely that Southwest Airlines simply didn't use Falcon Sensor on their normal Windows 10 or whatever clients.

There are probably competitors to Crowdstrike, at least some companies would be customers to one of them.

[-] Deebster@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

Hang on, if you're using CrowdStrike but not getting the updates, then why are you using it at all?

[-] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 months ago

Because none of these journalists have a basic understanding of what actually happened lol

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

And they can play JezzBall.

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[-] srecko@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

I thought everyone already switched to 3.11

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