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I don't really understand this point, and find it a bit dramatic and self-flagellating. You say "we shouldn't be allowed to become Chinese citizens" because we stayed in the imperial core rather than "taking the hard and painful but correct action of emigrating". So which is it? Should Westerners be allowed to emigrate to China or should they not? How long do you have to have lived in the West before you forfeit your right to emigrate, as punishment for not having emigrated soon enough?
Not trying to be a dick, I just really fail to see how this kind of defeatism/self-hatred helps anyone.
Self-flagellation is exactly what this is. It's not like every Chinese citizen is a principled Marxist either. They're random bozos just like me, who just happened to be born in a country with a competent socialist government, while I was born into a country led by bloodthirsty ghouls who are fully intent on killing the world to make number go up.
Acting like being born into the imperial core is some kind of original sin for which one must repent is esoteric nonsense. Do you want Nuremberg trials for Canadian bus drivers?
I highly agree. And to add on to your points one could get easily argue that staying and doing everything you can to try to build a socialist revolution in said imperial core is the correct action
Yeah, it's emigration, not getting into heaven.
People be like "Chinese is the hardest language to learn and your brain is made of iron now" but you could do it. They offer classes.
"They're treat you weird." THEY TREAT ME WEIRD HERE!! There are people over here who notice my racial ambiguity but then they also think I'm gross because of it!
You could get a job in a multinational and apply then network in China. You could meet someone on a dating/language exchange/penpal app. You could network from the west. They're still just people. They're still just jobs in cities.
They have a visa process. They offer flights out there that are just in a different part of the airport. Your phone works over there. Your money still spends (likely better than it does at home).
I'm not familiar with their process of visa -> citizenship and I assume it's difficult. But I'm sure you could live good, be prosperous, make friends, and roll with the punches (if not retire there after a dignified career) with extra paperwork. 1 in 1000 people get a black belt in BJJ, but a higher proportion than that enjoy getting a workout at the gym.
You can be as Chinese as you want to be.
I don't really know what this means. It has never (in my lifetime at least) been easy to emigrate to China from the West, and it again seems very dramatic and a bit idealist to pretend that what should compel people to emigrate is some kind of socialist ethic and deliberate rejection of money, rather than material realities like standard of living, possibility of education and work etc. all of which will presumably only compel more and more westerners as the West deteriorates and China flourishes.
Maybe I'm taking you literally when you're doing some sort of Disco Elysium style poetry, in which case, carry on.
ah, youre a BE fan. that explains it all
gross, bad empanada
I have not read enough Lenin and I will fully and shamefully admit to this fact, though my total is not zero. What I have read however is Settlers, which elucidated clearly the contradiction and deception behind the idea of the white "working class" in the west. Judging by your edit it was not clear the group I was speaking of and I will also fully admit to that.
Framing it like a choice like China is like "please move here we'll pay all costs included"