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I don't really know what this means. It has never (in my lifetime at least) been easy to emigrate to China from the West, and it again seems very dramatic and a bit idealist to pretend that what should compel people to emigrate is some kind of socialist ethic and deliberate rejection of money, rather than material realities like standard of living, possibility of education and work etc. all of which will presumably only compel more and more westerners as the West deteriorates and China flourishes.
Maybe I'm taking you literally when you're doing some sort of Disco Elysium style poetry, in which case, carry on.
ah, youre a BE fan. that explains it all
gross, bad empanada
Yeah because the single mom working 2 jobs to barely makes ends meet is CHOOSING not to emigrate. It's not that she can't even afford a fucking passport much less moving to another country. This position you have is reactionary. A true marxist understands that the proletarians in a capitalist nation are VICTIMS! You seem to be under the impression that everyone in the Imperial core is having a good time. The Imperial core has millions of people living in abject poverty. The imperial core has homelessness. The imperial core is not a paradise for the people within it. It is hellish for over half the population. Many of those people are reactionaries too and hold racist, anti-communist, or other problematic views. This is because they have been endlessly propagandized to. The job of those who know better is to educate them. Not condemn them. When the USSR took over East Germany did it go "Well they were all Germans in Germany so they don't deserve to live under communism now"? No. It developed a socialist state on the ruins of Naziism. It educated people to the best of its ability. Every worker being free means every worker and we must do the work of re-educating even the most vile and reactionary among them.
Get off the internet and read some Lenin.
(Edit to add: What do you mean traitor to whiteness btw? Are you saying any POC in America that doesn't emigrate is loyal to whiteness?)
I have not read enough Lenin and I will fully and shamefully admit to this fact, though my total is not zero. What I have read however is Settlers, which elucidated clearly the contradiction and deception behind the idea of the white "working class" in the west. Judging by your edit it was not clear the group I was speaking of and I will also fully admit to that.
While as marxists we must always be aware of how racial perceptions play into class dynamics and keep in mind intersectionality that does not mean we should devolve onto a simplistic race based categorization of society. That is the realm of fascism NOT socialism. Marx was white. Lenin was white. Stalin was white. We judge people based on their actions not their race. There are white homeless people in the US. Are they not victims of capitalism? There are black millionaires like Kanye West who are out and about fascists. Are they not bourgeoisie? The world does not fit neatly into tidy little boxes. People cannot be judged by adding up their demographic information.
Framing it like a choice like China is like "please move here we'll pay all costs included"