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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 87 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”

Then came the line that quickly sparked reaction online:

“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all because we don’t need it.”

It's Iran's terrority, and Iran is defending it after being attacked...

But I really think he's getting pressure from Christian extremists to abandon Israel. Their endgame was always Israel getting wiped out by its neighbors to start Armageddon and rapture Christians.

If no one joins against Iran, trump will likely try to slink away and Bibi holding the bag.

[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Israel getting wiped out by its neighbors to start Armageddon

Well then they haven’t really studied the Bible properly if they think it refers to just Israel, literally. Israel is used frequently as an all encompassing term to refer to the ‘church’ as a whole, so all Christians.

Not specifically the country.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No...

But great job assuming that reading a single comment about it somehow means you know more about it than what the comment contained.

I legitimately only know a handful or so of people that overconfident in themselves.

[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Not sure why you took that in a hostile manner when no hostility was intended.

It wasn’t really directed at you and I only took a part of the statement (which I’ve heard a lot from different sources) to make that observation.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

The Christian leaders also see their parishioners spending all their money on gas, on the way to church, instead of on tithing.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 23 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

Man I am so fucking ready for the Nationalist Christians to become huge fucking pariahs as a direct result of all of the idiocy that they’ve been pushing

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

by then the world may be literally cooked.

[–] Restaldt@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Oh boy do I have terrible news about runaway climate change

It was 80 degrees here yesterday and its snowing right now as I type this.

And this is the best our climate will be for the rest of our lives 🙃

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[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 31 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

And he threatened NATO, who by all his accounts "stood back from the front lines" When Article 5 was called during the bullshit second Gulf War. And now he DEMANDS they help. Sure buddy.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

NATO: "Get Le Fucked".

The rest of the world is outraged about the pedophilia.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 33 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I just love the quote:

So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding...

He starts with needing help, starts to say he just really wants it, then pivota to demanding it.

The fact that he went thru those steps shows how much pressure he's facing.

His two biggest wings of influence has been Israel and American christo-fascists, if they start pulling him in opposite ways, he can't hold onto both.

He's fucked, but so are the rest of us by extension. Hopefully just till midterms at least.

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 22 points 10 hours ago (14 children)

The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population, voting him in once was one thing, but not dealing with Jan 6 harshly under Bidens administration did nothing more than encourage them and their billionaire backers. IF there's no false flag operation to cancel the midterms and IF presidential elections are held and the democrats get into power, you lot are going to have to overhaul your entire system to ensure another Trump doesn't happen. And honestly speaking I can't realistically see that happening.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

you still think voting will get you out of the fascism you invited in?

[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 27 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

i've been loudly condemning trump for well over 10 years, losing relationships with friends and family because of it. I didn't "invite" shit, and i accept zero responsibility for the bullshit fascist...whatever the fuck you call this place now. this country is full of fucking racist brainwashed sheep and/or just plain gullible morons.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

agreed... sorry you are caught up in the generalization

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Maybe if people actually showed the fuck up it might. But there's so many "voting doesn't do shit" people that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Do you really think "voting" will, for example, bring about real change, like universal healthcare?

Over 70% of voters want universal healthcare, as polls have demonstrated for over THIRTY YEARS. It doesn't matter.

Think of voting as participating in a poll or something, like voting for your favorite "American Idol".

It won't actually change the show, it's just part of the entertainment.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The way I see it, there are 3 choices.

  1. Vote (effectively). If you still have a glimmer of hope that things can be changed for the better, you need to be doing this. Job one is to keep republicans out of power, vote for whomever is going to beat them. Job 2 is to push Democrats further left in the primaries. Mamdani showed us that this can happen, reluctantly at first, but the party will respond to its voters. Key word there is "voters" if you don't vote, they don't know about you, and won't give a fuck about you.

  2. Disruption. I can't in good faith call for violence, but if you genuinely believe it is impossible to fix the system by voting, you need to be in the streets disrupting day to day operation of the system that oppresses you. Protest, strike, squat, whatever you gotta do, but you can't do it halfway. If you aren't literally ready to fight for your life then, this option isn't for you.

  3. Do nothing. You can just sit around and bitch about things. Whatever happens is (almost) equally your fault as it is the people who voted for it. You'll end up against the wall just like the other two groups, but it will take the nazis you left the door open for, a little bit longer to get around to you. I've got no respect for the people in this group, no one should TBH.

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[–] br0da@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Invited in? I didn’t invite any of this in. Not by my vote, not by my letters to government officials, and not by my protests.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm sure the world is very interested in whether you invited him or not, just as much as in who in Russia did or didn't vote for Putin.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's a generalization... "you" as in "Americans" voted this in TWICE!

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[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (16 children)

Of course not. If the first move on a chess board was to simply take your opponent’s king, that would always be the first move in every game.

Having the midterm vote suppressed is just one sacrificial pawn in the direction of what needs to be done to eradicate fascism.

Knowing what to do isn’t that valuable if you don’t time it correctly. It’s not just one person or party. It is systemic and requires a critical mass of history to be successful.

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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

I feel like it is more basic than that.

I think his quote transitioning from asking for help to demanding others “step up” just reveals something he was taught early on—“never show weakness”.

Along with “never admit wrong doing” and “deny ‘til you die”, if you just set a simpleton up with a few basic, immoral, rules and hundreds of millions of dollars, you get Trump.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Waitasec, I'm no expert, but I thought the whole Rapture thing required all the Jewish people to be gathered into one place first. So, they literally require every Jewish person in America to be deported to Israel for their whole process to even begin.

Did I misunderstand something?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Did I misunderstand something?

Yeah, the fact that the Rapture is 19th-century snake-juggler fanfic which has no biblical basis besides insane free association based on a few ambiguous phrases here and there. Also, the guy who wrote Revelation was definitely mentally ill and obsessed with revenge.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

You know that the Revelation is a political pamphlet, right? It's actually amazing that it got included in the canon.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

The guy that wrote Revalations was more than likely in the throws of ergot poisoning.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Sure. But it's legitimacy is irrelevant so long as they believe it, which they do.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

I think the point is if what they believe in is a string of randomly connected bits of fiction, it’s not too much of a leap to think that they would omit or include a new bit of fiction to fit whatever the situation currently is.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'd say the provenance of those beliefs is relevant, since it tells you what kind of rubes we're talking about. A 2000-year-old religion is one thing, even if its foundational beliefs are mythical. Some half-assed bullshit cobbbled together by a gaggle of late-19th-century and early-20th-century hucksters doesn't even have the excuse that at least they built a few cathedrals, wrote some good music and did some good paintings, along with all the life-denying superstition and oppression.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Was it news to you that religious nuts were kinda uneducated?

Regardless, I'm still asking about the content of the bullshit prophecy, not whether it's bullshit or not. Discussing it's actual merits or lack thereof seems like a waste of time to me. I mean, we're talking about a literal prophecy. Those generally aren't taken seriously by your average even halfway intelligent person.

[–] alfredon996@feddit.it 1 points 6 hours ago

He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”

Sure, you fucked up everything, but other countries have to resolve the situation that you created.