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My local explicitly socialist org got extensive media coverage and membership/interest increased by double after these protests. We must meet the people where they are and push them further left rather than be fucking redditor ass losers, criticizing any movement that is not the revolution. If you’re able to, and you’re not outside touching grass and organizing I respectfully judge you. The vanguard will not be found on hexbear dot net.
I'll go when they start mandating masks and enacting preventative measures against the careless spread of disease again. You're not going to do that, though, and no one else will advocate for those who suffered/are suffering under COVID and continuous threat of exposure to an airborne, highly transmissible, potentially asymptomatic neurodegenerative disease that causes cumulative, lasting damage with each infection and, most importantly, has no cure. So, no, I'll stay right where I am.
I've done and will do more than you ever have or will.
Agreed
Shouldn't the vanguard be found everywhere?
Plenty you can do from inside. What part of the world are you in?
The point is not that I am in here, and think I can do nothing. The point is that you are all out there, and think you can do everything. You are all out there, frozen in time, in denial, when the world changed in 2020. The world changed and no one in the world is changing with it, so now measles returns. Whooping cough returns. Tuberculosis returns. Do you understand? I have done and continue to do plenty with my community of people who are devoted to keeping each other and us all safe. 11 million people are in all these photographs telling me they do not share this value. I go outside every day to people telling me they do not share this value. Whatever is going on out there, it's certainly something, but it's not sustainable in the new world. It's not equitable, it's not emancipatory. The same people screech and holler and scold and assure me that whatever side they're on really cares about those things, but nothing they do can be any of those things if their health, their people's health, the health of everyone involved in present or future is forfeit to the plague—and if that's the case, what good is any of it? Just wear a god damn mask when you're outside your home. It's that simple.
I'm not a huge fan of mass cultures approach to pandemic management.
I don't think most people care. Not about this; not about anything. They literally dont know how. Just totally sloppified fucking p-zombie automatons functioning entirely at the level of social pressure and first impression instinct and a shallow identity derived from that. It sucks it's alienating and it's awful. I find it makes losing these people¹ to their own stupidity worryingly easy on the heart.
I don't know what your big issues are.
But you can't live in a world alone. So back-end support, which is at least as important as and more broadly applicable than any situation where you might be gassed in a crowd of non-maskers, must still be done yo make a better world.
I'm of the opinion that the world gets made by the people who show up. For whatever reason, in whatever context. To the police riot the jitsi meeting the covert action or the friend group; it gets made by the people who show up. I don't know what you're doing to make people suck less, not gonna ask. Just asking that you're doing something.
¹to yhe extent that they are
So many group photos of socialist orgs with not one person wearing a goddamn mask.
Where I live the government is working to make it illegal to wear a mask in public (again, it was already), the police will already approach you demanding you remove your mask, even screaming take off your fucking mask as they shoot you with pepper spray
personally I just keep turning up to events with a mask and offer extras to anyone I see
Do you know who it was in January who gave out respirators to the entire city of LA during those wildfires? It wasn't the "No Kings" or "No Tyrants" or whatever protesters. It wasn't the DSA or PSL organizers. It wasn't the city of LA. It was the city of LA's COVID mask bloc. Try again.
Mushrooms may help repairing degenerative damage when generative mechanisms remain-so head trauma but less for late stage dementia.
They did say if you are able to be fair, I think their point was pretty valid all things considered, I don't think they were calling out folks like yourself
The problem with this excuse is that no one is immune to COVID and there is no cure for COVID. There is no evidence that the body fully clears a COVID infection. No one is "able." It is not that I am singularly "not able"—for one no one makes my stipulation for ability possible when they all have every means to, and mostly proved that they had every means to in the first year of the pandemic when everyone was still afraid and made everything digital or wore masks; nature was healing, remember? So much for that. We all should still be just as afraid of this and demanding we all take it just as seriously as we were then, and we're not. That's not on me. People like me are treated like we're yoga moms into healing crystals or chud YouTube influencers on an exclusive diet of red meat trying to "turn" everyone else with our clickbait nonsense when it's the exact opposite. You all fell for the clickbait. I am largely done with this conversation now. Let everyone catch infinity COVID forever and we'll pick up the pieces of the able-bodied like we always do. Learn the lesson or don't. Personally I'd pick a time not in the middle of unprecedented global precarity to take this bet but as everyone loves saying these days, "you do you."
You're replying to me like I think it's cool and good society moved past this as if it was over, I don't. Nor did I "fall for clickbait" I don't know what you expect me to do
Stop making excuses for these people, mostly. They are committing violence and as long as they insist on continuing I don't see any reason to stop telling them what they are doing, especially when I know they can do better and instead choose not to. If you agree with me, why hold water for them?
Because their overarching point was that people should organize more. You are correct that we should be more cautious and as leftists take the situation seriously when we do on the ground organizing, thank you for that critique and the other information you provided that was definitely good, but we still need to organize the masses in order for us to achieve any of our goals.
I was holding water for the idea that this, as with all mass movements that stir up the working class's consciousness even slightly, and when contradictions are heightened, this is when we need to take advantage of the swell and meet the workers where they are so we can build them towards where we need them to be, not to let them get sucked into the machine. that's our job as leftists, we have to build the left into something real etc etc
rereading my initial comment I do see your issue, I complacently accepted as fact that most leftist spaces don't take enough precautions to keep our disabled comrades safe because that's been my experience of it (not that I'm happy with it). I'll try and do better to more militantly advocate against that culture instead of being a liberal and accepting bad things because thats just the way it is
thanks for checking me
I appreciate your candor, friend.
Back atcha :)