PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels : steam

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 188 points 5 months ago

I can wait literally forever to play a console exclusive and I won't have to because emulation.

[-] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 85 points 5 months ago

It's not even about waiting or patience. I'm not a teenager anymore, so I don't have as much to play games as I used to (and I have now other interests too). I have so many great PC games in my queue I literally won't have time to play them all until I die. The queue only gets longer with time. So what if I can't play some console exclusive? It's just one game in the long list of games I won't get to play and I have no problems with that.

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[-] superfes@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Same, I don't even want to buy another console, except maybe the new Switch

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

If the titles are backwards compatible anyways, then it's only a matter of time before we can play them on the SteamDeck anyhow.

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[-] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 170 points 5 months ago

Steam users are the base everyone desires to get to but no one wants to pay the toll to Valve for building the platform gamers want.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 136 points 5 months ago

"we've built a platform that at least give piracy a run for its money, and used it to develop a massive user base so conditioned to buying from us that they happily joke about how 50% off a game they won't play is cause for them to buy four times as many. Please, join us all in the baffling orgy of commerce, all we ask is 30% of the treasure.".
"We will, but we're gonna try to get the users to come to our platform with less content and maybe a $500 buy-in so we can have a bigger portion of a smaller pie".
"Lol, go for it".
"...".
"...".
"Why are you being anticompetitive?"

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

The hilarious thing is that Sony could open their own pc storefront selling steam keys, keep their 30%, and the only restriction would be maintaining price parity with the same game on the Steam storefront.

For a. Company like Sony that already has all the payment processing and customer service knowhow, this would be far easier for them than most.

Yet they can't or won't bother because suits are fucking stupid.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 months ago

Shit, I assumed that valve somehow got a cut of games from keys as well, but looking it up (briefly), it looks like you're entirely right and they don't.
That makes it even more bonkers that companies keep trying to siphon off the market share, since you could just take your market proceeds as bonus revenue as long as valve got their share of what they sell.
I'm assuming that's a big chunk of how things like humble bundle make their money?

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[-] entropicshart@sh.itjust.works 110 points 5 months ago

A simple fact that consoles require a monthly subscription to play anything with friends is why they will never reach PC gaming.

I paid for hardware, I paid for the game, I pay for the internet; fuck your subscription just to join an online server you contribute nothing to.

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

It’s my red line that I will not cross. I’ve given in to some practices I hated at one point. But I will absolutely never pay for the internet twice.

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

I quit their system when they changed things around and my life hasnt changed, Indont even play online.

Tbh the way things have gone, I went and bought a PC, got some emulators and got all my catalog on to the system and any nintendo exclusives or PS exclusives I buy second hand. I have hated this generation between the ps5 and switch everything underwhelmed

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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 101 points 5 months ago

What does he think the mental process is? "Oh Spiderman 2 dropped I'm going to buy a PS5 and play that immediately"?

Nah, the process is, "Oh Spiderman 2 dropped? Oh it's console exclusive? Guess I'll play looks at the hundreds of unplayed games in my steam library The same 3 games I always play while I wait."

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 37 points 5 months ago

I don't like this post because
[x] i'm being personally attacked here

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[-] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 95 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Fixed title:

PlayStation's CEO drastically overestimates the PC crowd's wallet capacity, thinks PC gamers will buy an inferior, overpriced, locked down PC that can only play specific games on a non-replacable proprietary OS with planned obsolescence for when the PS6 comes out

[-] reminiscensdeus@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

I'll never not be a PC gamer but calling PS overpriced at the moment is wild. Compared to the cost of PC components right now 5 or 6 hundred is not ridiculous. That's cheaper than mid to high tier GPU alone.

[-] ayaya 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You are forgetting that you have to pay to play online. Your $500 console is an $800 console if you use it for 5 years. You can build a roughly PS5 equivalent PC (RX 6700) for more like $650-700 which is less overall.

Plus it's a computer so you can also use it for normal computer things, and the games themselves are generally much cheaper with a huge backlog and sales all the time.

[-] reminiscensdeus@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

I did forget that. Also that price point is awesome, I just dumped a ton on a fresh build. I didn't want to minmax on it but it's cool you can get it that low and still have that level of quality. Gotta hate NVIDIA.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 28 points 5 months ago

My PC game library goes back literally 30+ years. (I think the oldest game I play occasionally is Eye of the Beholder, 1991. The original doom is still good and from 1993)

That has value.

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 78 points 5 months ago

I have spider-man 2 on my gamecube, why do I need a ps5?

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[-] Veraxus@lemmy.world 71 points 5 months ago

We (PC gamers) have a wide swath of hardware and input preferences that consoles do not even make an ATTEMPT to accommodate. Then there’s the predatory “pay us a subscription to play online” thing, too.

Most PC gamers will just completely skip consoles rather than play games like that. Our patience is eternal and without end.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

I think that's accurate for a subset of PC gamers but there's no shortage of people pre-ordering trash games or encouraging other shitty behavior like microtransactions on PC. Many of those problems could be solved with a patience that doesn't currently exist in sufficient quantities to discourage publishers from bad practices.

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[-] FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago

Don't forget things like locking everyone into their ecosystem. Case in point, Minecraft. On the pc using Bedrock I can connect to any server. Xbox and Nintendo versions I know for a fact you can only connect to approved servers. Not sure about the PS version, but I would venture it's similar. So why would I want to limit myself by playing their locked down copy of the exact same game?

[-] ech@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

Seriously. I was thrilled to see Sony start porting over interesting looking games, but if they go back to their previous release standard, I'm fine going back to my previous "not playing ps exclusives" standards. I've got plenty of other games to get to. No need to go out of my way to get over the hurdles they put up.

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 60 points 5 months ago

NO STEAM DECK NO PLAY

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[-] The_Helmet_Stays_On@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 5 months ago

I have waited this long for Bloodborne on pc I think I can wait a little longer

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[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

Gaming PCs are almost universally faster and more powerful than any gaming consoles, no matter how flashy and prettily designed. (Hell, even mid tier PCs generally kick the ass of most consoles) So why the hell would a PC gamer downgrade their gaming experience by wasting their money on a console?

[-] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 5 months ago

For me it's the paid multiplayer that ruins it.

[-] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 17 points 5 months ago

Yeah that amazing people are paying extra to be able to use internet

[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

I think that current-gen console gamers are becoming increasingly aware of the reason why consoles can still be competitive: quantity, optimization, and upscaling. It becomes very apparent when every AAA game ships with two graphics modes, performance and quality, which are usually just changes in internal resolution/upscaling, LoD, texture budget, and lighting/RT.

Purely in the perspective of gaming performance per dollar, the current-gen consoles just barely beat out mid to upper-mid range PCs, but factoring in all the other uses of a PC pushes the comparison in PC's favor.

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

No Sony. You had every chance to win me over and you blew it.

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

Could I buy a PlayStation. Yes. Will I, no. I lost interest in PlayStation back during the PS3. That console saw more Blu-rays and DVDs than games. Never bought a PS4.

And if/when this or any other formerly exclusive games come to PC, it has to compete with current release PC titles, but itself will be judged as an older title. It doesn't matter to me if it's new to the platform. I won't be paying new game price for a port of an old title.

[-] Poop@lemmy.ca 19 points 5 months ago

This is my problem with Ghosts of Tsushima... It's already 4 years old. I'm not willing to pay 80 bucks for a game either way, but definitely not a 4 year old game!

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 37 points 5 months ago

Heh. That's cute. Pissing off players by cutting them off from their games has been going sooo well for them.

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[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

To be fair, I do have to keep my wife from getting a PS5 for the FF7 remake games. SE will eventually release them on PC, and modders will fix whatever shit port job they do this time.

However, this does not come from a place of logic; she wants to see Cloud and Sephiroth fuuuuuuck.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

However, this does not come from a place of logic; she wants to see Cloud and Sephiroth fuuuuuuck.

My wife bought Mass Effect because she wanted to fuck everybody.

She's been hearing about BG3 and thinking about it.

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[-] Deello@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

The first game is already on steam

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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

Playstation CEO doesn't play games or else they would know how much more flexible PC gaming is for the user. They are hoping people will slum it with console locked ecosystems and non-moddable games using hardware that never improves.

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[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

If it was a couple of hundred bucks maybe

But $500 plus the $70 game? Not a chance.

[-] Kroxx@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago

I'd rather upgrade a component or two for that price, you know the thing PC gamers spend money on instead of getting a console to play exclusives.

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[-] picnic@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Oh I can wait.

I've waited for Alan Wake 2. I've waited for countless of other games, time is on my side.

I have so many games in my backlog and on my steam wishlist, I dont really even care if some great game will miss steam. However, I will buy good games without denuvo and sometimes I can even pay the full price upon release. Rare, but a few times a year this can happen.

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[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 26 points 5 months ago

I have enough many other games to play on PC. I’m not going to buy a new expensive device just to play a few extra games.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

I'm not playing games unless they're down 50% since launch. 😏

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The fact that we got any games was an unexpected bonus, we already have plenty

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

Oh boy I can see the new management is gonna work out great.

[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

i think he underestimates my intention to never do that

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago

I am so patient that I won't buy these games until they put them 50% or more off.

I just leave them on my wishlist. My computer is 9 years old and it is still better than even the next gen will be. Why would I pay for a downgraded computer with a crap operating system.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Even some of us with PS5s and PCs both might wait two years since it's pretty easy to get (non Denuvo) PC games free...

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[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 months ago

I have enough games in my steam library that I could never buy another game, and be perfectly content. I'm quite willing to wait as long as it takes for a game to not only be brought to steam, but to get a major sale or be featured in a game bundle. Only difference is that if it takes too long, I'll never get it at all because I'll have better options.

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[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

I hate consoles

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

You see, I don't play games on consoles because I don't like controllers.

I mean, I'll use them in some scenarios, but the position I need to sit in to hold a controller is usually uncomfortable.

I've been playing PC games since the 90's. I picked up an Xbox one S, and even set it up, and it's been very good at collecting dust since I bought it. I got it used, so no big loss, but still.

I'm not going to pay $500+ for another dust collector, just to have the privilege to pay extra for games, and be uncomfortable playing them, then have no option to switch to a PC later because I only own that game on the stupid console.

It's a waste of my time and money.

And if I really want to play a game with a controller, I can do that on my PC too.

Simply, if I buy a game on console, I'm forced to use that console and it's controller, to play. If I buy it on PC, I can play it however the fuck I want to, on any system I want to. Fuck your exclusivity deals, and fuck you.

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