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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 111 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"how we lived our entire history" is generally "as hunter-gatherers, who died when something went slightly wrong".

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 55 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Slightly deeper than normal scratch? Massive infection and death

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

get a cavity? hope you enjoy slow, painful decay

[–] psud@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Luckily they didn't, until they invented grain farming and storage and bread every day

Hunter gatherers before 10k years ago (before Egypt learnt to farm) had great teeth

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This isn't universally true. There were less incidences of general tooth decay due to different microflora than we have now, but people absolutely still got dental issues that would result in systemic infections and death.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Sure. Tropical people have always had fruit, some had sugar cane. People fought and their teeth were damaged

But dental cavities and abscesses are caused by sugar in your mouth, and bread has always been good at getting stuck between people's teeth, while their saliva converts the starches to sugars

Archaeologists determine whether a skeleton came from a hunter gatherer or a settled farmer by their teeth

Microflora in your mouth - perhaps they did have different, there's no evidence, but if so I would guess that one's mouth microflora changes depending on what one eats

Note that the process that damages teeth is fermentation - where sugar is fermented, liberating energy, carbonic acid. That doesn't happen in the absence of sugar that persists in your mouth

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

that one's mouth microflora changes depending on what you eat

Yeah that's what I meant

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So your "their teeth were good due to different microflora" can be simplified to "their teeth were good because they didn't have tooth damaging food"

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

The original claim was dental issues were generally a death sentence, which was true whether or not they're more common now.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

Until? The “hunter gatherer, then farmer” progression is a story, not reality. People sometimes did one in summer, the other in winter. Or gave up farming when they found nice herds.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

i mean sure they didn't have modern medicine, but they were generally in way better health than we are now and still had basic plant medicine.

washing off wounds and wrapping them in medicinal leaves does a lot, and there is archaeological evidence of individuals who were in extremely bad health and yet through care from their tribe they managed to survive for years in such a state.

This idea that hunter-gatherers lived lives of misery and were too dumb to try to prevent bad things is unfortunately very widespread, when the reality is that hunter-gatherers had it about as good as you can expect from living without modern technology.

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 74 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If we're going to be saddled with 19th century British customs they could at least have left in all the drugs.

[–] meleethecat@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

We do have the gin.

[–] nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

it is our god given RIGHT to buy morphene over the counter!

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

"These are our ANCIENT TRADITIONS"

Yeah sure they are buddy, people in this town were totally exploding fireworks 300 years ago at 4AM. Is being a drunkard your family tradition too?

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 7 months ago

I mean the day drinking is probably a lot older as a custom than the little bombs, but

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

China is probably the one place that can lay claim to that particular tradition being ancient. They go hard for spring festival.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 7 months ago

I mean, yeah, alcoholism has genetic factors and it's not like drunks are bad at breeding.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even if something is "natural," that doesn't mean it's good.

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Slipping in mud and landing face-first in animal droppings is perfectly natural too

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

We only grow old and die because of mother nature. I normally like dommy mommies, but this one can fuck off.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As if 19th century Britain was a monolith

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

i am PISSED. Rrrroyally PISSED

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One reason non-heteronormative sex is so demonized in countries that were formerly under British occupation is because of the influence of the British customs and laws.

[–] peto@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

If they are that old.