Agree with the sentiment, don't see how it's newsworthy.
Will we start seeing headlines like: Tom DeLonge says racism "not cool"
Billie Joe has fans who are influenced by what he says.
Billie Joe says not to be a cunt about trans people.
If I had a platform like Billie Joe I'd say that too.
Billie Joe is also bisexual so is speaking as part of the LGBT community.
This is the same Billie Joe whose fans went home from an "American Idiot" anniversary concert surprised that he got "political". I reckon there's plenty of scope there.
That's almost as good as the people who drag on RATM for being political. But not nearly as good as fans shit talking Morello and telling him he needs to stick to what he knows.
"You don't have to have a degree in political science from Harvard to understand this, but I actually do" (or however he phrased it) was one of the best comebacks to bad faith "stick to what you know" admonishing ever 😄✊️
For posterity, the quote (that I never get tired of reading):
“One does not have to be an honours grad in political science from Harvard University to recognise the unethical and inhumane nature of this administration but well, I happen to be an honours grad in political science from Harvard University, so I can confirm that for you,” Morello wrote in reply.
Fucking perfect! 😘👌✊️
There's a reason Crewman Mitchell told Janeway to go "to the left"
Fun fact: Tom has said this is the highlight of his career, over anything else he's done professionally.
"Are we the idiots?"
I get what you mean, but considering how many influential people are having their anti-trans opinions broadcast (see: JKR), I think this kind of article is more necessary than you might think.
True. We may be at the point where we shouldn't just give people the benefit of the doubt in such matters.
Calling them punk is much more controversial.
gatekeeping doesn't feel very punk tho
I don't really care either way, I just thought it was an amusing point in context. The majority of what I listen to has pop on the end so I don't have much to gatekeep.
I don’t really care either way, I just thought it was an amusing point in context.
honestly same
Pop punk then.
I'm sure Billie Joe would agree with you. He's always been a real one.
I am of the opinion that closed-minded thinking is only part of the issue. The other part is there are well financed interst groups who work hard to create and encourage division in order to prevent regular folks from working together for a common cause.
The reason is simple: convince people to fight amongst themselves and they will be too busy to notice how much they are being ripped off by the tiny handful of rich people at the top.
In other words, this.
Did you grow up Mormon? Cause that’s pretty much the whole plan
wow cant believe my republican conservative tradtional values heterosexual free market band has gone woke, this one really hurts
As a full grown adult with a demanding job and many responsibilities like feeding myself every day, and carefully balancing my caffeine intake with getting enough sleep, I legitimately cannot imagine having the time or energy to care about what other people's children are doing.
Once again a middle aged bisexual knows what’s up
52 is middle age.
That's good.
Yeah I’d say it’s something like 40-60. The middle of adulthood. Then around 60 it’s weird because it used to be elderly but 60 year olds are just in so much better shape than a few generations back were at that age. And really I think that’s where a lot of our awkwardness about aging comes from. Back in the day a 40 year old looked like a 60 year old now.
But yeah he’s old. He’s still cool af, but his iconic music was about a phenomenon I have to explain to people who can vote.
I had a relative tell me that the problem with trans and homosexuality is that it's a mental illness. Instead of fighting those ideas, my response was "so what?" I decided to follow that line of argument to its conclusion.
Even if it were a mental illness, it would be one that causes no harm. I asked that relative what they would do if they found out they had a mental illness, and that the only thing that treatment would accomplish would be to make them no longer love their spouse. Of course they'd refuse treatment and go on loving who they love.
That should be the end of the conversation. If someone is doing something that harms nobody, why should they be forced to change who they are to please someone unaffected by the outcome?
No shit Sherlock
I mean it's not obvious for everyone
Oh yeah obviously. Green Day has always been about this. Listen closer to American Idiot.
My thought process.
"Is that my child?"
If Yes then, care and protect
Else, none of my business
Oh shit I didn't know programmers could reproduce, nice! =D
Else, none of my business
And, therefore, none of the governments business, since they represent the people. But what about the people that believe it is their business and, therefore, the governments business. Never end a thought process at "none of my business", VOTE!
You should care about other families as well.
You just shouldn't define "care" as "police their genitals."
1000x talk about moral panic than actual moral panic.
Trans is boring.
Yeah there's definitely no concerted effort to strip rights from Trans people occurring across the country.
Oh wait no that's exactly what's going on: https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights-2024
Must be nice to be so ignorant things that don't personally affect you.
I don't talk sarcasm. Think a bit and uncrooked your silly talk.
Trans should be mundane because it really is but unfortunately since they are such a small part of the total population by the nature of being trans they are an extremely convenient scapegoat. As long at they're on the chopping block like they are in Texas and Florida, there is a chopping block, and that's everyone's business. Only the delusional believe that it could never be their turn if these kinds of politics proliferate or become mainstream.
Scapegoat is a bad term. I don’t think anyone is blaming trans folks for anything except “recruiting more kids to be trans” or some such.
I think it’s simpler and even more close-minded than that. Pardon the term, but being such a small part of the population they are seen as more of a freak show. Whats worse, they probably justify bullying them more than the traditional freaks of yore, because they “chose” this life.
Even worse, they are mostly reflecting on their fear of meeting a hot AMAB at a bar. And if I’m being totally honest, as a cis white male, I’m pretty afraid of the confusion I would face if I found myself in that position too.
What you described is a prejudice which is not great. This prejudice, like all prejudices, can be mitigated through exposure. Because of the stigmitization which you described this exposure has additional barriers than just population size. You're right that this is enough of a problem.
What I'm talking about is weaponizing this prejudice through politics. There has been a major push to pin "the fall of western society" on "trans ideology." Idiots may repeat these moronic talking points to one another, but they are not the ones who wrote those talking points for them to parrot mindlessly. In fact, these talking points are derived from a movement which has existed for just over a century.
One of the reasons fascism is so attractive to many people is that it unites the "proper" people against the enemy which is simulaneously corrupt and foolish but also masterminds who will undermine and destroy the culture unless they are stopped. Because these foes exist, the state must exercise greater social control and violence to manage the "menace." Because this population is small and stigmatized (by coincidence, relatively about the size of the Jewish population in 30's germany), the state can establish the apparatuses for social control and violence. Because these mechanisms are ostensibly to use against just trans people, idiotic bigots support them and a far greater number of people simply don't care. The thing is though, that from a fascist politician's point of view the excuse for creating these authoritarian devices is not important really. The point is to establish an authoritarian fascist government. Any defenseless group can be demonized and persecucted, they just have to pick a group that the population will let them persecute. As long as the greater population doesn't mind what they do to the scapegoat they can build up a system which can eventually be deployed against any threat to fascist power.
“What other people do with their genitals” is the buttress supporting the Republican Party.
What a weirdly understated condemnation following vulgarity.
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