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[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I recently visited China, to meet my wife’s extended family.

Let me tell you, the sheer amount of single-use plastics that are consumed by any individual throughout a regular day in a metropolitan environment, is absolutely and mind-numbingly depressing.

Given that there are 1.3b people there, and that no matter how much we in the US/AU/EU reduce/reuse/recycle - we will never be able to truly offset that sheer amount of plastic pollution produced.

Now I’m not saying this to be a doomer, but more-so to say that individuals can’t enact sufficient change to save this planet, we need Government and corporate incentives to shift towards sustainable alternatives, and punitive policies to disincentivise plastic production globally.

[–] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

plastic waste per capita: the US is at top(if we exclude small island nations)
plastic waste in absolute terms: the US is not far behind China, with India at a distant third place.

the reduction is plastic waste generation in China is far more than that of US^1^.

so, what I mean to say is that more people β‰  more pollution. but I do agree that the problem is to be tackled with active participation of the government, which won't be there because of muh economy.


[1]: By 2016, China's overall plastic waste production had fallen to 21.60 million tons, a reduction of nearly 28 million tons (for comparison, U.S. production fell less than 4 tons during the same time period). Moreover, despite being one of the largest overall producers of plastic waste, China's per capita production of plastic waste was one of the lowest in the world in 2016 at 15.6 kilograms a year per person.

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 2 years ago
[–] BabyVi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Lots of places in the US won't recycle the supposedly "recyclable" plastics, it ends up in a landfill regardless of what you do. I remember all the educational initiatives about the importance of recycling when I was a kid. Turns out it was all just propaganda to make us feel responsible for problems caused by corporations.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Given that there are 1.3b people there

The majority of Chinese residents don't live in metro zones, work office jobs, and eat fast food, though.

Also, very common to find reusable metal straws (and cups and utensils) outside the US. Korea and Japan both overwhelmingly favor washable utensils, as do cities south of the US border (I stopped seeing disposables once I got outside Mexico City proper and I never saw them in Jamaica or Cozemel outside the airport/seaport). There are zero disposables in Havana. The very idea is alien to them.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago

Something like 60%+ of China is urban. The majority definitely live in urban areas.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/278566/urban-and-rural-population-of-china/

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh man that's a drop in the bucket compared to medical/industrial/commercial plastic waste lol.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I did the ambulance thing for a bit. CPR calls, the back of the ambulance, despite being covered in fluids, looked like a recycling center. And none of it gets recycled, obviously, all just gets red bagged or containered. Everything is individually wrapped, and for obvious reasons, but I'd have days where I could match my family's plastic use for the week or more in 12 hours.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

One day doing, even just residential construction produces more plastic waste than an entire family of 4 for a month I would reckon.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Though in that particular scenario, while it feels wasteful, for an average person is exceedingly rare. The only paramedic supply I've had used on me in my lifetime was when my car got rear ended badly and they gave me a blanket because I just conversationally mentioned it was kind of cold while they were checking in with me. Going for a dental cleaning or a physical there'll be some single use plastics to be sure, but again, only like 3 times a year usually.

[–] Napain@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

notice how they wrote billionaire and not Taylor, very good

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago

I didn't make that meme myself but I debated changing it to something Taylor Swift related for a moment, but then I thought that horse was pretty much dead already so I just left it as it is. She's certainly not the only one doing this sort of stuff.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Implicitly includes Taylor though, she's not off the hook

Just all the others are also on the hook now

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe if we make her feel bad about it she will give away enough to just be a millionaire

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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure it does, but we should ask why she became the meme and not any of the other billionaires, who are overwhelmingly white men.

It's like when I pointed out to my kid that the Karen meme is pretty sexist, they pointed out that there's also Ken. And I asked them, in all the meme compilations they watch, how many Kens are there for every ten Karens? They said, "maybe 2 or 3." I pointed out that that imbalance is the problem, and they were like, "oooohh yeah."

A 10 year old gets this when it's explained to them simply. Anyone who pretends they don't get this is covering for something they don't want to admit.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Taylor on the way to, ah forget it.

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

There's something about having a lot of money that makes you hate mother nature. It's weird.

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Something something, Taylor Swift

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Taylor Swift going on a cruise?

[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

tailor swift docking her boat

[–] cone_zombie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'd dock her boat in a heartbeat

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Taylor Swifts private jet/boat circling the globe to pick up her boyfriend

[–] mochisuki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Also fuck bamboo straws and other paper straws filled with PFAS. just use a normal straw or none at all

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Maybe beverages could be served in containers that don't require a straw. I wouldn't mind being served a can or a bottle instead a cardboard cup.

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[–] bobbytables@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

I was recently served a long macaroni as a straw in a restaurant. It was honestly amazing how well it worked! At no point it was mushy and there's nothing in it that I wouldn't eat with my pasta dish anyway.

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

i really do not understand where this idea that plastic has something to do with the climate came from, how do people imagine that to work?

No, the point of not using plastic is to not have plastics blowing around on the street for 50 years before it's degraded into microplastics that instead enter our bodies.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Oil is processed into polymers and has plasticizers added to it to become a drinking straw, a process that emits mucho carbon.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Honestly, I'm just sick of picking it up on my local beach. That and plastic bags. I'm sick of picking up plastic bags.

[–] PointyDorito@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Some materials have higher carbon emissions than others, in terms of refinement, processing, and transportation. The third point is location dependant, but creating and shaping different materials will have different contributions to global warming.

Edit: There are also concerns with the product's end of lifespan. How long it takes to biodegrades, how easily recyclable it is, and how much the available disposal methods will effect the environment. Plastic is not great on several of these accounts. Recycling plastic water bottles isn't very efficient either, compared to glass bottles for instance.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Taylor Swift needs to relax her Triangle of Sadness.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The thing is billionaires will always use more resources than you. They will have more stuff. It'll have more houses. They will have boats, private planes, huge mansions, and more money than they know what to do with. They will always use more resources than you. If your whole statement is we shouldn't try to solve global warming because some people are rich, and we're doomed to all die. And by the way, The billionaires will have a nice air-conditioned bunker while the rest of us die.

I'm all for trying to solve wealth inequality, but it shouldn't get in the way of solving a major environmental disaster.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If your whole statement is we shouldn't try to solve global warming because some people are rich

I don't think that's what they're saying at all. Any solution to climate change is incomplete if it doesn't also address inequality and overconsumption

[–] byroon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Not just incomplete. You probably need to start with inequality. 25% of global emissions are created by the richest 1%. 50% by the richest 10%

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