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The White House, in a reflection of their public confidence (hubris?) regarding the politics of Biden’s positioning on Israel, arranged a call with Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.).

Fetterman, who has delighted in trolling left-wing critics by resolutely standing with Israel since Oct. 7, told me young voters should consider the implications of enabling a candidate who would likely given Netanyahu even more of a free hand.

“If you sit this out, or throw your vote away, you now are effectively empowering Bibi, and you’re definitely going to be empowering Trump,” cheeto-man he said.

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We can set this up very directly: it’s us versus them — and us is just voting for us, and them means voting for a third-party or Trump,” as one Biden official put it to me. brump

In the short term, that means seizing on any chance to complicate the ballot access of the third-party candidates freedom-and-democracy and attempting to discredit their motives or at least highlight the less savory aspects of their character.

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Later this year, Biden officials hope to dispatch trusted progressive surrogates to warn against a third-party flirtation — hope you like the Midwest in fall, Senator Sanders! flattened-bernie — and plan to bombard the internet with the same message on digital ads even sooner.

One idea: Enlist a series of sicko-zoomer younger voters who admit to being tempted by a third-party hopeful but explain they’re backing Biden because any other choice ensures Trump’s election. maybe-later-honey

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 80 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm loudly cheerleading the ongoing genocide, but have you considered someone else might support it even more than I do?funny-clown-hammer

What a fucking idiot.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Listen, the sitting US Senator who has given Israel carte blanche to kill everyone, who literally wore the Israeli flag like a cape and heckled people calling for ceasefire, is definitely not doing anything to checks notes "...effectively empower Bibi," or the current president as much as someone else would

Not at all

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"Trump will let Israel genocide even harder" is not the great argument they think it is.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You need to start from the premise that leftists are being hysterical and genocide isn't really happening.

Then you need to double down and insist you are right to be hysterical about the hypothetical genocide Trump might do.

Finally, they want to be able to indict you as fake Leftists who never really cared about Palestine when Joe Biden loses and Trump doesn't fix Biden's mess

"Leftists who didn't back Joe Biden caused the deaths of a billion people in the Middle East" will be added to the Black Book of Communism, in the end.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

this comment... chef's kiss

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[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure 2000 pound bombs is completely unleashed, you can't go much bigger than that without nukes. Just like libs want us to vote "harder", Trump's psychopathic bloodlust isn't going to make those bombs explode harder. Any vote I make will be a vote for the dissolution of the great Satan.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What would trump do differently exactly? The US has given Israel full support already

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[–] LeZero@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (6 children)

“If you sit this out, or throw your vote away, you now are effectively empowering Bibi"

Ok? Isn't Joe empowering Bibi now (and, in the hypothetical he wins the election, in the foreseeable future)? Do these assholes hear themselves?

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fetterman, who absolutely supports the genocide, warns that electing trump would give absolute support to the genocide? And that's why he's anti-trump? What?

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

I think he means that libs will still believe that Trump will make things worse, not that it's true, but this might be a certified Stroke Moment™.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

Yeah but Trump will do it in a way that doesn’t put on airs that he’s worried about innocent Gazans dying. And we all know democracy dies in the lack of performative hand-wringing.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't want to disempower Bibi, I want a one state solution that doesn't involve Israel.

[–] LeZero@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Well yeah, I dont take Fetterman seriously anyway, it's just more of the same Trump fearmongering

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Liberals have to maintain that they're the good guys, always

So that means Trump would do something worse than what Biden is literally currently doing

What that imagined evil he'll perpetrate is, I'm never told

Maybe they're implying he'd nuke Gaza

Maybe they're implying he'd send in American troops

We don't know

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

DC land hasn't felt the burn yet. They are still too comfortable and think they can just toss a token and get away with it in November.

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[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)

potentially costing the president millions of liberal votes

What the fuck is he calling me

[–] huf@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

oh shit oh fuck even the ghoulest dems have figured out we're libs... THE JIG IS UP!

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

we’re libs

who’s “we” motherfucker. what are you implying about me. go on and tell me

[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fetterman, who has delighted in trolling left-wing critics by resolutely standing with Israel since Oct. 7

doing a little 'trolling' by supporting a genocide

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago

Waving the Swastika flag from my rooftop to epically troll those dumb bleeding heart commies who love the Warsaw terrorists so much

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Look at how upset those leftists get when I loudly cheer on the slaughter of Palestinian children by the thousands. It's all just a joke to me!

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"We can set this up very directly: it’s us versus them — and us is just voting for us, and them means voting for a third-party or Trump,” as one Biden official put it to me.

Oh wow, so the official party line of the DNC is going to be "do exactly what the good libs of storm.world, lemm.ee, and sh.itsfulla.nazis have spent the last couple years inoculating me against?" Good fuckin luck!

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So their official view is now the Revenge of the Sith "If you're not with me, you're my enemy"

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 years ago

We all remember how well that went for Anakin.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Beyond paid advertising, the president’s aides are still weighing him joining TikTok and, regardless, intend to leverage the platform by pushing their digital native supporters to make the Biden case on the app.

Lmao. Like that little fuck in the Audi who made a good case for why the Romanov children had to go.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

i sure fucking hope so. i truly believe that the most important immediate goal for a broad left wing mass movement in the united states is breaking the back of the Democratic party one way or another. nothing else can be done in the political sphere as long as this efficient machine of recuperation and neutralization is still standing.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In 2020, after the Sanders ratfuckimg and it was between Biden and Trump, i always held that Biden was the accelerationist choice. Or at least that hus presidency would be more radicalizing than a 2nd Trump term.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

If people aren't willing to break the Dem party's back over aiding a genocide, what more is it going to take?

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

But it’s also because Democrats are still catching up to the possibility of their coalition unraveling over Israel’s offensive in Gaza.

jagoff

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"enabling a candidate who would likely given Netanyahu even more of a free hand."

"we're not going to do a damn thing other than protect Israel in the process. Not a single thing." - Biden when asked if there would be any conditions on aid to Isreal

Once again, until a liberal can explain to me what is "even more of a free hand" then explicitly saying your support isnuncondit8onal and nothing they would do could stop it they cans top lying to our fucking faces with this line

Also getting pretty sick of articles of liberals complaining about struggling with voters that they are intentionally and even antagonistically doing the opposite ofnwhat the voters are clearly saying they want.

Like the article says that feyterman had really been enjoying telling people that are opposed to genocide and then goes on to say how the people he's intentionally trolling aren't being mature and voting for him anyway.

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it would be maddening if they were actually communists

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"But we're the party all the Communist parties recognize! The CPC officially recognizes us and invites us to all their events!"

Without telling the truth that they block all other communist parties from joining the IMCWP, that maintaining historic communications between parties isn't actually a sign of recognition and they actually talk to a lot of U.S parties, and that clout-chasing the CPC because they maintain cordial historically diplomatic ties between parties - like all the other parties do - should make any cpusa member feel humiliation they have nothing else to their name besides that and their faded legacy.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Someone needs to join the org and purge all the liberals from it.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You'll be purged by the liberals first

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[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Y'know, I've been calling them tailist swine for the past three or four years now; and every single time I say it, someone wants to crawl out from under their rock, log, or particularly thick patch of moss to decry me for sectarianism and 'believing a CIA psy-op' and re-litigating J. Sakai's pseudonymous status; and then CPUSA turns around and uncritically endorses the democrat party's genocide.

I don't ever want another cracker motherfucker tryna tell me these are comrades.

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Idea for a bit. Changing your name to Genocide Joe and running on a 3rd party ticket

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

biden-point The other Biden has escaped from the mirror biden-rember