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like a general litmus test or something

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[-] blight@hexbear.net 87 points 7 months ago

Litmus test: Are they suddenly getting widespread positive coverage in western news?

But the real answer is that every protest is on a spectrum between the two. What makes a color revolution so effective is that it redirects legitimate alienation towards reactionary ends

[-] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 7 months ago

Yeah I'd agree with that litmus test. Ukraine is a good example of that, even disregarding their 2004 protest as I'm not sure it always comes in the form of a peaceful protest.

Ukraine was ranked as one of the more corrupt countries in the world circa ~2015.

Then there was a TV show running in Ukraine from 2015 to 2019 starring Zelensky as president of Ukraine. You'll never guess what happened next...

And before everyone gets all "Ukraine good, Russia bad" yes, that was horrible of Russia to start a war. Fuck politicians for using people as pawns.

But I think this paints a clearer picture as to how we got here

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 42 points 7 months ago

This is hexbear, we use Moscow time to plan our movie nights /j

Seriously though, the backpedaling is going to get more pushback than criticizing the oligarchs and their pet banderites.

[-] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 7 months ago

Wow, fair enough. This might be the only leftist forum where I can imply zelensky is a puppet and not get down voted into oblivion for saying anything against the narrative. Wild times.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Name a leftist forum that would do that to you and I’ll invoke the “no true marxist” defense. /joke

It legitimately displays a childlike understand of the world to ignore material reality in favor of vibes. /not joke

Furthermore, I invite you to hang out in our news comm. you’ll find people who actually investigate the root causes of current events there.

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago

We don't have downvotes also

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[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

yes, that was horrible of Russia to start a war.

Honestly not really. The alternative was allow Ukraine to set up as a springboard for operation Barbarossa 2, which would mean nuclear war. Russia objectively saved the world by destroying a decades worth of western plans in Ukraine. Feel bad for the citizens of the Donbas obviously, but even western Ukrainian citizens only have so much of my sympathy. Now they’re being picked up off the street and suddenly war in the east isn’t so fun anymore.

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

but even western Ukrainian citizens only have so much of my sympathy

Ukrainians voted in Zelenskyy because he ran on a platform of stopping the conflict and killings in Donbas, remember

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[-] M68040@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago

Potential for co-option always blurs the line, too, especially in cases like decentralized Occupy sort of stuff. That sort of leaderless, ad-hoc angle can have perks, but leaves a fundamental opening for bad actors.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

Litmus test: Are they suddenly getting widespread positive coverage in western news?

Came here to post this same thing. More to it than that, and there's a lot of great answers here, but that is a shortcut to at least determine if its sus.

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Color revolutions:

  1. English signs in a country where nobody speaks English.

  2. Anglo media platforms those protests.

  3. Anglo social media does nothing but talk about them.

  4. Democracy^TM^

  5. Leaders are all cutouts of some Western NGO.

  6. Leaders speak perfect English.

  7. Memes and symbols that come from the protests can always be perfectly translated into English with no cultural context lost.

There's also some dipshit French public intellectual^TM^ who always shows up right when a color revolution is about to commence, but I forgot the dude's name.

[-] GarfGirl@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
  1. Flying the flags of western nations and explicit calling for them to do a military intervention against the country

::: spoiler colour revolution pics with flags in them

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[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago
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[-] davel@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

★★★★★

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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean, one big red flag in a color revolution is... uh.. everyone coordinating around a big colored flag.

Can't help but notice a huge fixation on liberal talking points - fixations on "free press" and "free trade" and "no more corruption", particularly absent any tolerance for criticism of western venues. Any time people start waving American / British / French flags, that's a huge warning sign. Insinuations that the current head of state is either a closeted homosexual or secretly about to die are also great signifiers. The hornier the press is for a potential replacement ~~dictator~~ senior executive, the more likely its an Op.

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 49 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

1: lots of signs in English (assuming it's a non-English speaking country)

2: really vague, buzzword based political goals ("democracy" "freedom" "power to the people")

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago

Is a color Revolution just like an astroturf by the fed and private business

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

Yeah, it's just a Cold War-era term for sabotage via astroturfed counterrevolution.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The amount of English used. English communications are usually for a foreign, likely American or general Western audience.

Obviously this only applies to non English speaking countries, or countries where English is not the lingua franca.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago

Empty cardboard boxes in israel labeled "BABY FOOD"

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago

Or when Israel has propaganda videos telling Gazans what to do, in English while the internet is cut off in Gaza.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

Mild push back here, a lot of pro-palestine stuff is in English even from Palestine.

[-] kot@hexbear.net 35 points 7 months ago

Are there a bunch of British and American flags being waved by the protestors? Do they have a bunch of signs in english for no reason? Are they asking for foreign intervention from NATO or the US? Is CNN and other bourgeois media reporting on it nonstop, and are they described as freedom fighters by such media? It's always kind of obvious when it's a color revolution.

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 35 points 7 months ago

How the Western media covers it within the international-community-1international-community-2

[-] axont@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

Yeah this is the best way. Does the USA endorse the protests? Then something's fishy.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

When Azov Nazis showed up at the HK protests a few years ago, you just know.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago

The protest's endgoal seems to be about opening up the country to increased Western capital.

Support from OSINT

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

Support from OSINT

Damn, this is so good. Another good criterion.

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[-] Egon@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well most protest movements will be attempted to get co-opted by the us, if they aid the us empires wants, but that's not really answering your question.

If all the signs are in English you might be in a color revolution. If you're demonstrating for vague amaricanized ideals like a general sense of "freedom" you might be in a colour revolution. If you get a lot of attention from us media, despite having a small size, you might be in a color revolution. If your "leaders" seemingly come out of nowhere and all have pete vibes, you just might be in a colour revolution

[-] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago

The thing about spycraft is you you will never really know for sure. However, if it serves western interests it doesn't matter. You have to treat them like it is

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[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In non-English speaking countries: more signs in English than the local language(s). Memes relating to Western popular culture, extensively shared on western media platforms (Instagram, Facebook)

[-] Cherufe@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Hlaf agree on this because of the english in signs BUT the simpsons are latin american heritage and you will see memes with them

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah definitely, I guess it's an indicator not a smoking gun. Personally I was thinking the Hunger Games/Milktea Alliance stuff in SE Asia, I'm not familiar with latin American memes.

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[-] material_delinquent@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago

Vincent Bevins wrote a book on protests movements. I recommend reading it: "If we burn". Weirdly pro-HK protests perspective, but salvageable. The internet gave the US a lot of tools to brainfry people by amplyfing the right protests and messages within large protests, along with the western media empires in general, and especially horizontalist movements suffer from it pretty badly, being not able to out-maneuver ngos or having no idea how to wield power, so that the systemic inertia of western imperialism made a lot of things skew towards western interests without any active subjective input.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago
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[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago

It's not binary, it's normally messy, politics is very messy

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, US State/CIA don't create these kind of protests out of thin air. They usually insert themselves into legitimate protests movements of people with real issues with their government, but who don't want to overthrow it and become US puppets.

That's what happened at the Tianemen Square protests. The mass of people were socialists students with issues they cared about, but US State backed elements worked their way into coopting it. The Belarus protests from a few years ago is a more recent example.

[-] TimeTravel_0@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago

Another good example of the US co-opting an existing movement (albiet on a larger scale) is how the CIA trained and equipped the Mujahideen to kill the Soviets in Afghanistan.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Exactly. They look for existing movements and conflicts that they can use as a vehicle for their own aims. And then use propaganda to make Westoids believe its good for them too

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

Are all the major media channels covering it non stop in the exact same way?

Are US politicians constantly talking about it?

Most likely orders were handed down to show and say exactly what to manufacture consent.

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago

Are they waving the flags of the great Satan and one of the most violent imperialist countries in modern history?

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