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Yea yea I know, not all contradictions imply a fundamental error.

This line is currently in popular usage by online liberals who are forced to work through their brainworms as China ascends, as DPRK approaches normalization, as Iran demonstrates its regional force, as Ukraine inevitably loses, as the US murders and still loses, as Sahel states inch toward sovereignty. These contradictions are becoming more striking and difficult to hand-wave. And in the first phase of this dissonance, the reflex is to allow the dissonance no matter how deafening.

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[–] carl_marks_1312@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

The person in question:

[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 44 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"That's whataboutism" <- person confused when politics is being discussed by comparison of alternatives or analogy instead of a moral framework litigated from first-principles moment-to-moment.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

a moral framework litigated from first-principles moment-to-moment.

This drives me insane. "Oh, so you don't think X is bad? Then I suppose you must think Y is good, huh? What about Z, is Z suddenly acceptable too you demonic fuck?"

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yeah two things can be true at once

for instance,

  1. i'm doin ya mom doin-your-mom
  2. i'm doin ya dad

both true

at once

now stfu

[–] Mutalisk@hexbear.net 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

madeline-shock Don't they know that thought-terminating cliches are authoritarian and Chinese?!

American shitlib accusing the CPC of having limited ideological analysis while his own side tries to deny the very existence of any ideology that could be analyzed has always been one of the funniest cases of projection

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Are we out of touch with our opponent's entire philosophy and worldview?

"No, they're just robot bug people acting on instinct, and I know this because it's simply true, and it's true because I know it."

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Capitalism doesn’t pass the sniff test of thermodynamics yet they want to assert their theory as law

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

The fact that libs all repeat this exact same line is so strange.

Where did it come from? Why is it everywhere?

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 2 days ago (13 children)

There is nothing liberals love more than not thinking. How do you hold the belief Norf Korea is so poor that the people eat each other when you see a picture where it looks like a normal place? Just don't think.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I have literally had a liberal show me a video which has obviously piped in sad music of normal people in North Korea walking down a mildly busy sidewalk on a quiet street to wait at a bus stop and go to work, then turn and say to me, "Isn't this so uncanny and dystopian?"

They then got mad at me when I pointed out that, no it wasn't dystopian, and that nothing they showed in the video was strange unless you just assume that asian people walking around minding their own business are thoughtless and have no interior lives.

They are so wrapped up in their own narratives that they will warp visual evidence to support their point of view, and viscerally reject any kind of common sense.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's also something some YouTuber tourists have said. They are at a subway station there and say that everything feels staged. Just to make the place look good to them, someone who is practically a nobody. Really makes me skeptical of the notion of seeing is believing.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As years and years of eye witness testimonies, psychological, neurological, and anthropological research will tell you, seeing is most definitely not believing. Your brain is the most important mediating factor for lived existence and it is a horrid pile of shit.

Which is why scientific rigor is extremely important in determining baseline facts, and why questions that struggle or are completely unable to be scientific, such as those of metaphysical and ethical ideology, will always vassalate to reflect the material conditions that spawn them.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Your brain is the most important mediating factor for lived existence and it is a horrid pile of shit.

Yea you're telling me

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[–] BuhbyeLittleGumshoe@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Americans seeing people use public transportation: jesse-wtf

Americans getting in their 2027 Ford F150 and promptly moving down 5 children 2 bicycles and a small car (they couldn’t see any of it) to get to mcdonald burger to make an offering to the cattle rancher who just sent a death squad to exterminate some indigenous peasants in the amazon, burning an entire saudi oil field’s worth of gas in the process: blob-no-thoughts

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[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Why does le narwhal bacon? alphys-smug I think these phrases just catch on.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ugh my least favourite one is "tell me you don't [insert thing] without telling me"

It's like they've all decided this is their phrase they'll use to be snarky radlib redditors

[–] skunk@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago

"Imagine being/doing/thinking thing I disagree with..."

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That at least came from something, even if it was just a Reddit thread. It was also fairly contained.

This seemingly popped up from nothing and now I hear dipshits on the news saying it.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm reminded of the RedSails article on the theory of 'brainwashing'. Certain phrases are useful in providing moral license to support imperialism instead of critically examining one's preconceptions

[–] BuhbyeLittleGumshoe@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

An all time article. When we start from “people are propagandized” rather than “propaganda reinforces people’s conceptions of their material interests,” we excuse lazy thinking. Debunking some lie about 80s hairstyles being the only legal ones because some dipshit western tourist saw a salon poster they couldn’t read isn’t the point. In the end they excuse bombing the north back to the stone age and using economic warfare to try and keep them there. because it protects their mode of living.

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[–] VeganSwoletariat@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

yeah ICE is bad, but what about immigrants who areremoveds? - quite literally a direct quote from my "lib" coworker, unironically

edit: okay fair hb removed it uh let's just say (sex pests)

[–] miz@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

study after study shows immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than born citizens

[–] VeganSwoletariat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

mhmm, and also the kkkops already exist to deal with sex pests (supposedly). I mean I personally am like acab, but by lib logic, libs already have a lib solution to this that doesn't need to involve the creation of a second, even more racist group of gestapo

also lol at pretending anyone in power gives a shit at all about victims of those crimes. libs love to pretend to care about that when it fits their political argument already, like every minority issue

i can't stand these people to be quite fucking honest

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

pointing at two things that are directly contradicting each other Two things can be true at once smuglord

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

Dialectics enjoyers:

we-are-not-the-same

[–] edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Should have read On Contradiction*

~*~ ~Disclaimer:~ ~I~ ~have~ ~not~ ~read~ ~it.~


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[–] Renin@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago
  • "Both Things are True at Once."

  • "I'm not Political Anymore.'

  • "Actually, everything is bad, leave me alone."

  • "Nice arguments, however all political power comes from..."

  • "Authoritarianism is bad, real peace can only be achieved when everyone is equally armed."

  • "The world is going to be solved once we sell enough newspapers to make sure everyone is enlightened enough. This requires you to pledge full support to the only enlightened ones who see through the maze - US!"

  • "I'm just going to commentate on all this, without explicitly taking sides with anyone, because I know the worst place to be is between the blades of scissors."

[–] StalinsGiantSpoon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sorry sweetie, here's how Ukraine can win:

[–] Lowleekun@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Ukraine: "Just a couple more billions bro, i promise. Just a couple more." Eu: "Sure buddy, you can win this, just keep grinding. You're doing great."

They still have old people and women that could be busified for the glory of the nation. That would shock the Russians, for sure!

[–] Spike@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel like this started with pop culture or sports. In pop culture it would be one person saying an actor is good, then the reply saying they're a terrible human being, then the next reply saying "two things can be true, they're a terrible human and a good actor". Or in sports it would be saying a player is a terrible teammate (or also a terrible human), and then the reply would say the player has helped many teams win, then the next reply saying two things can be true etc etc

[–] VeganSwoletariat@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

it's also pretty standard conflict resolution/therapy shit

there is objective truth but the odds are one person was struck by omniscience and experienced it during a conflict and the other didn't isn't very high lol. so better to act as if all people experienced some form of truth through their own internal filtration system, validate any perceived harm, then move on to accountability from harm from actions there rather than fight about who is correct about their feelings.

It's also a way to deal with stopping black & white thinking and trying to look at reality in a more objective way (ironically). Instead of thinking "i'm late, i'm gonna be fired" you can be like, well two things are true at once, "i'm late and feeling anxious and guilty about it" and also "in the past, my boss has never once been concerned about being late". the feelings of anxiety and guilt are no less invalid, however they are not grounded in real danger.

unfortunately abusers will use every single tool at their disposal including ones that are benign in the hands of a trained expert, it just be like that. There you go, two things can be true at once

[–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

Can liberals stop taking my shit????

I use this often but in the complete opposite way.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When does it come up? Is it some sort of "America is bad, but their opponents are also bad?"

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This reddit comment is one example, but it’s everywhere that there are liberals. Places like Bluesky too

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

R*dditors apparently haven't heard of low shutter speeds and Photoshop.

"In the United States, they shoot anyone who gets too close to the White House, which is why there are no people in pictures of Washington DC. It's a whole city only the president is allowed to use."

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[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

Usually it's when liberals confronted with the fact that the US lies about its enemies all the time and that therefore we shouldn't trust what they say at face value. This response is truly abysmal since it completely misses the point which is that further investigation is needed, not that the US systematically says the opposite of the truth

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