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[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Nah, you don't eat mashed taters with thin crisps (corn or otherwise). You could, but typically people don't.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a dipper if you use gravey and sausages

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

It’s a real banger.

[–] trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which is why mushy peas are British guacamole:

A plate with mashed peas next to some french fries.

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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And you don't boil avocados for guac

Edit: or add citrus to mash. I was going to say you can't add dairy to guac, but guac and sour cream go very well together. Def no butter or milk though shudder

[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You know, some citrus to a baked tater would be awesome probably. Would need to be lime, I think.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah actually, add some chili, you've basically got tajin, I can see that. Indian cuisine has awesome chili potatoes, I wouldn't be surprised if there usually citrus in there.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

More like guac is American hummus, considering chickpeas are one of the oldest domesticated plants we know of.

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[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Except that Potatoes are from the new world....

[–] Slovene85@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tomatoes are too but are essential for many Italian dishes.

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Very true, which makes you think what their food was before they hijacked the tomato.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Guacamole isn't eaten on its own or with some form of gravy. Mashed potatoes are. One can argue about open face sandwich vs. burrito and the addition of each to their respective cuisine but that's a hard sell.

FWIW, Avocado toast doesn't factor into the discussion any more then a baked potato would imo.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Mashed potato toast never really caught on anywhere.

Probably that’s a lot of carbs. Avocado has oils and fats and it’s a fruit.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Do people eat whole bowls of guacamole? Just like spoonfuls into your mouth?

As one of the 7 people who dislikes avocados - that seems horrifying.

[–] trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

I mean, if you consider tortilla chips to be edible guacamole spoons, then yes.

Guacamole is so much nicer than avocado. I probably eat more guac than mashed potatoes, usually on toast or in wraps though. As the Aztec gods intended.

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, we used to but we stopped during the great avocado famine that lasted from 1845 until 1953. About 1 million of us died.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

I mean, im of the 'poptart is basically a dessert calzone' persuasion, so... yeah, sure why not.

There are differences, but basically yes.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Seeing that both vegetables were part of the Columbian exchange and therefore have no pre 1500 European roots it's improper to call any potato preparation 'Irish'.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

What and marinara sauce isn't Italian? Mapo tofu isn't chinese? Modern sushi isn't japananese?

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Italian cuisine is particularly enjoyable for this. The carbonara sauce was an improvisation by an American army cook, and one of the first recipes had it made with cream.

And part off modern sushi is Norwegian, as they had an excess of salmon they kind of imposed the idea to use it on sushi, which worked.

Chilly peppers in Indian cuisine where introduced by the Portugese

Cuisine is one of the most fusion sensitive bits of culture out there and most claims of originality are bogus in a way.

[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think a dish has to be 100% original from the domestication of the species of the ingredients all the way to the invention of the dish. I would say it's valid to claim a variation of a dish with just one tiny tweak. Norwegians can't claim the entirety of sushi but they are totally valid in claiming specifically salmon sushi. The French can't claim to have invented neither wheat, flour, bread, the baking of bread in ovens or any of the other steps it took in-between, but they can claim the baguette specifically as a French bread.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don't think any food type can be claimed by a nation, that idea is very novel. You talk about bread and I think about the quintessential Italian ciabatta bread, which was invented in the 1990's.

But I do really enjoy experiencing different cultures. I don't subscribe to the idea of ownership of any of it by any country or culture. That is all.

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[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With that logic any Mexican dish that contains cumin, cilantro, wheat or any dairy product including cheese is not real Mexican.

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[–] GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So nothing can be described as Irish if it didn't exist since the beginning of the earth on the land we could later call Ireland? Or where is the cutoff, the year 1400?

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm just disputing the started fact that mashed potato is an Irish invention. There's plenty of Irish things after that date, but that's because people didn't really think about 'national' things untill the late 19th century, take the Scottish tartan, fi (which was popularized by an English textile merchant btw).

[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I only agree with this line of reasoning because you would have to conclude that there is nothing quintessentially US American with everything coming either from Native American culture (which they reject) or immigrant culture.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

You’re talking half a millennium ago…

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Pizza is just an open-face sandwich. Like a chili melt. Same thing.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Meh, it's different operations. The bread is already baked before you make the sandwich, pizza dough is raaaaaw.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Bonus points for having O'Brian in there.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

No because avocado is a berry but potato is a tuber

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mushy peas are just British guacamole

[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The guac they deserve

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

In the soup, salad, or sandwich alignment it would be soup and so would guacamole.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

mashed avocados

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's times like this that I worry about legalizing weed

[–] FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hard to say if it's Irish. It could be. But:

First printed recipe: English author Hannah Glasse published the earliest known recipe for modern mashed potatoes in her 1747 book, The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy.

The recipe: She instructed cooks to boil and peel potatoes, then vigorously mash them with butter, salt, and milk.

Obviously Britain and Ireland are very close to one another, and someone being English doesn't mean they don't have Irish parentage or tutelage or friends. (Even in those days.)

Britain + Ireland are also called "The British isles," so unfortunately for the Irish, even if we disambiguate to include the possibility of it being an Irish creation, it will still be called a "British" dish - which merely makes it look like it's English again, to most people.

[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Potatoes in Ireland being a result of the Colombian exchange, this is one of those scenarios where you might be able to find an equivalent South American dish from before Ireland had potatoes(wild to think about, right?). The Inca grew potatoes with corn and eggplant for their farming, and it's hard to imagine they ate them raw.

Some googling shows things that all appear to be fusion cuisine, but then any use of tomatoes or potatoes in Europe is fusion cuisine anyway :P

Edit: lmao this entire discussion is hashed out further down anyway, love it

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It really doesn't get much better than that. You can substitute milk for cream, and also force it through a sieve to get extra creamy mash, and add a bit of garlic, but well done mash is so simple and good

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

No, since Potatoes are Peruvian, not Irish

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