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[–] Danarchy@lemmy.nz 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When you burn the remains of these ancient life forms it releases their ghosts and that’s what kills so many when they breathe haunted air

[–] Forester@pawb.social 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 19 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Absolute numbers are meaningless. It needs to be weighted against how much electricity was produced with each.

(And why is solar not mentioned? Plenty of solar installers die from falling off of roofs and whatnot.)

[–] Forester@pawb.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] valgarf@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

On the site there is also a direct comparison: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh

Grouping Hydro with other renewables is not very nice for wind and solar, which are pretty safe - with the added benefit of being cheaper than nuclear power.

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[–] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Genuinely curious as to how and where we got the 140k deaths from renewables? It doesn't appear on the paper you linked but it cites the structural collapse of a Hydroeletric Dam in china which caused 230k deaths.

I'm curious where you got the renewables figure from, is it from dam collapses (which are structural failures rather than a product of the power source) or is there some sort of issue with wind turbines where they magically sprout legs and march into Cities like Godzilla with PMS?

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

You havent been attacked by a solar panel? Theyre awfully vicious in my area /s

Real answer is probably engineering issues, DIY, and a healthy dose of propaganda-number-fudging

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[–] Forester@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

The chinese claim only 26k deaths some estimates place it at 260k deaths i'm not being exact its a ballpark. No one source tracks all deaths from renewables or fossil fuels or nuclear. 52 dams collapsed not one.

structural failures rather than a product of the power source

and what do you think collapsed the dams if not the power source?

Its mismanagement and failure to properly engineer for the situation on hand. Water is heavy the built weak dams to generate hydro power. They had a cascade of containment failure events. likely ~130k people died directly from this event. The other ~10k is a rough estimate on other deaths from similar incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hydroelectric_power_station_failures

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

so... hydroelectric power stations collapsed, thus renewable energies like wind turbines and solar power are bad?

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[–] wraekscadu@vargar.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Nuclear is cool. With proper regulation, it's amazing!

BUT, it's not what we must be focusing on right now. Renewable sources of energy are safer and much MUCH cheaper to implement than nuclear. Also, renewables don't require decades to come online.

So, "why renewables? Just go nuclear brooo" is a bad bad argument, likely made in bad faith by OnG companies to delay implementation of renewables.

The goal should be "how do we go from the status quo to a non GHG emitting source of energy generation as fast as possible?".

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

There is no one ideal energy source. The best approach is, as always, to diversify. Relying completely on one source is irresponsible. Nuclear with renewables is a fantastic mix. Especially in countries that can't reliably generate significant amounts of electricity with hydro.

Renewable sources of energy are safer

They're actually not, generally speaking. All types of renewable energy, with the exception of solar, cause more deaths than nuclear does.

Some articles report slightly lower death tolls for renewables, but don't provide any sources for that data. Geothermal energy, which neither of the two sources above includes for some reason, sits right next to wind, so slightly above nuclear in terms of deaths caused per terawatt-hour.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 2 weeks ago

I live by a bunch of nuclear plants. One day, I got a text alert from the government saying something was going on at one of the nuclear plants. I decided I was probably already going to die and the went back to watching porn on the toilet. I will have my dream of being an environmental telling skeleton.

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[–] untorquer@quokk.au 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah there's a reason I'm leaving the energy sector. The choice to use fossil fuels for grid in the last 50yrs has been and will continue to be a purely political one.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Yeah nobody ever died here (an uranium mine) and you absolutely don't need any fossil fuel to make it works.

Nuclear energy is better than fossils, but it's far from green.

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Nuclear is very green.

Source: Watching too many Simpsons episodes in my misspent youth

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Are the fossil fuels used to create wind and solar power also unavoidable?

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nuclear causes the fewest deaths out of all available energy sources, except solar, which is a tiny bit lower in that regard. Both wind and hydro have a higher death toll, with wind being just slightly above nuclear, and hydro being a lot higher (about 40x more deaths).

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh

Usually I wouldn't cite this source, but in this case their data matches other, more trustworthy ones, and is the first that shows up in search engines.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It also have a bit of due to regulations making sure people who work on nuclear are way more compentent, while other green energy infrastructure can be built by rando workers like your roads and such. Kind of similar to how air travels are the safest only because of strict protocols and requirements to work on it.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is probably true when it comes to wind, but deaths from hydro is all about dams breaking.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Almost all deaths from both nuclear and hydro are caused by major accidents like Chernobyl or the Banqiao Dam.

Which makes you think, considering coal power plants still cause infinitely more deaths - and that's just standard operation.

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[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I cow is more likely to kill you than a shark (on land).

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If you get into a pool with a cow, its not going to be nice to you either.

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[–] banazir@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

I see you are not familiar with sea cows.

[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Quoting 5k deaths when Chernobyl was a single incident probably contributing to most of them.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Most of the renewables count is one dam that failed in China too.

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[–] Forester@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

The only reason it killed so many was the poop grade soviet response. Men were cheaper than machines. Saving face was more important than casualties. Russia still employs blocking brigades in Ukraine for the same beleifs the USSR mindset never died.

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[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I'd be willing to put money on the amount of deaths from fossil fuel power generation related accidents (mining coal isn't exactly the safest job) is higher than the rest on its own. Even before the millions who've had their lives shortened by the pollution.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Oh look, yet another person with an opinion on the LNT model for radiation exposure. As a safety professional, let me explain in really basic terms.

Everyone knows the model is pretty shit for long-term exposure to small doses. This isn't news, and hasn't been new for the past half century.

Similarly, we all know that chemical exposure levels are, for the most part, entirely bullshit. The exposure lengths are often based on 40 years of 40 hours a week, which is almost never true, and are even then very conservative.

The problem is that you can't get accurate data. You can't expose a couple of hundred people to hazardous conditions for decades, just to get better data. Everyone bitching about LNT for radiation or all sorts of chemical and biological exposure limits is overlooking one key detail.

We don't have a better model. We can't develop a better model in any remotely ethical way with current or near future technology either.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its the best model we have it may not be 100% accurate but it is better than nothing and assumes any radiation exposure is carcinogenic. However in gen pop (read healthy adults) our natural repair mechanisms are generally apt to repair damage caused by exposure to doses less than 5mSv/y

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1350448715000086

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Exactly! The model is wrong for low level, long term exposure. We know that, it's not new or shocking. But there isn't anything else, and you can make a decent argument there won't be anything else either, so we're kinda stuck with it.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does that include like building the hoover dam or what?

[–] GargleBlaster@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Sooo you base this on an opinion piece disguised as journal article in a low impact journal by a guy that has, let's say interesting views on radiation damage and global warming.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Incidentally, I live in Sacramento, in the California Central Valley, which is desert. Recently, its gotten up to 117° here (which is still low compared to Death Valley).

Solar is awesome.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I never even considered that nuclear power isn't renewable until now. 🤣 Can't make more radioactive rocks if we run out.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Can’t make more radioactive rocks if we run out.

Well ... unless you use your uranium reactor to create plutonium... But, you're right -- even then, it would eventually run out. So fission power isn't renewable.

Fusion power, though... If you can make a viable fusion reactor ecosystem that can use regular ordinary hydrogen as its input fuel, then that's at least psuedo-renewable. Yeah, eventually you'll have converted so much hydrogen into helium that hydrogen might start running low. But I'm guessing you could power 100 earths for 10 billion years before you used even half the hydrogen available.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Breeder reactors don't create fuel. They convert not-quite-usable isotopes into usable isotopes.

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