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[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 50 points 1 month ago (16 children)

I swear rotten tomatoes and IMDb fucked up movies and tv more than anyone talks about. You can’t REALLY make an review of a work of art, even if it is corporate produced tripe, with a percentage scale or */10 system, and before anyone comes at me I know it’s been done for decades but it was never a be all and end all thing, critics wrote articles about things and you might disagree with their sensibilities and go see it specifically because a particular critic didn’t like it, the opposite is also true.

At some point though we crossed a line where no one actually reads the criticism and internalizes it, instead they just look at the number and make it either a personal attack or validation. Thats a really bad way to experience art of any kind.

This isn’t a complete thought I feel, but I hate the reality of film and television criticism today, not because critics are worthless, because that’s just silly. If you like something Peter Travers said was dog shit go find a critic that speaks to your taste it’s not difficult and doesn’t mean your favorite movie actually sucks.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I agree they both fucked it up, but my main problem is how there seems to have been a clear shift in how they "weigh" reviews after both IMDB and RT were bought by large corporate entities (Amazon and Fandango, respectively).

I can't help but feel like a lot of the movies coming out from those companies or their subsidiaries somehow manage to get higher overall review scores on RT and IMDB than they maybe deserve.

For example, that shitty right-wing nationalist churchslop movie "Young Washington" got relatively high scores on RT...

...and IMDB...

...but not on Letterbox'd...

...which is one of the main reasons I shifted to checking Letterbox'd for reviews... but unfortunately, another day to shift to a different platform be coming soon again.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 1 month ago

In Darknet Diaries Ep 27: Chartbreakers, Jack Rhysider describes how cheap and easy it is to buy your way to the top of the Apple Podcasts rating chart or onto the New York Times bestseller list.

After listening to this, it's pretty easy to extend the logic to every other rating platform. Paying for review manipulation is basically part of the marketing budget.

[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I want to be clear I don’t disagree at all you’re correct. Corporate control of art means they will go to any lengths to ensure profit.

But also, I really kinda glossed over the overarching problem, which is that the film industry is now driven by reviews and vibes reviewed by c-suite folks that answer to shareholders and don’t give a fuck about the actual film or show or whatever

This has always been true with the plastic arts but we’ve reached a zenith.

I will die on the hill that art cannot be considered a financial investment. It by definition has to take risks and investment people cannot handle that

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This Patrick Willems piece does a really good job of digging in to why so many streaming "blockbusters" are so shitty these days.

Tl;dw: The streaming companies have the metrics, and are now essentially making movies that hit certain beats to satisfy what they perceive as customer requirements, rather than movies that exist for their own sake.

[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

Art by corporate committee, a fucking travesty

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Toy Story is 100%

What does that mean? Does it mean it's the best movie ever made? Nope, it just means everyone at least kinda likes it. It's Toy Story, it's a good movie. Though I wouldn't say it's the greatest movie of all time. Just a decent movie.

The way the scoring works means that if everyone thinks a movie is better than average, the movie gets a perfect score.

If 75% of the critics think something was the greatest movie ever, while 25% didn't like it, it's a 75% score. It might be a movie you'll think is the greatest movie ever too, but you might give it a miss to watch movie that 90% of the critics thought was just ok instead.

So if a studio is making a movie to try to get a good score, they will make it so it doesn't offend anyone, and have it universally be considered ok. The way these sites measure movies encourages mediocrity and playing it safe.

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is anyone else getting a little uncomfortable having their confirmation bias put in the spotlight like this?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a three hour movie. If you need a heuristic to justify why you saw it (or skipped it) do what is necessary.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is gonna have to be a home viewing because there will NEED to be at least one pee break and stretch exercise in the middle.

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[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What's more important than the score is the written reviews.

So many films with bad scores because people didn't "get it", or watched a film that wasn't "for them".

For example, I've seen critics write reviews for the third movie in a franchise, saying they didn't understand what was happening, because they didn't watch the first two.

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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Seeing it on Sunday!

I do have an issue with the amount of stars in the movie, especially Zendaya, but I'll try to keep an open mind.

I don't care about the historical accuracy or the racial makeup of the cast, all I care about is whether it's a movie I enjoy watching.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

especially Zendaya

She's a stellar actress and a smokeshow.

I'm more annoyed that they included Matt Damon in the leading role. That guy's been washed for years.

I don’t care about the historical accuracy or the racial makeup

I do think it's very funny to be mad about Elliot Page for being transgender when I'd be more upset that he's got zero tan in a movie about rugged sea faring people just north of Egypt.

Like so much Sword and Sandal that Hollywood produces, it's way too white. Maybe make more movies that take place in the Baltics if you want to use this many Brits, Franks, and Nords.

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[–] ddplf@szmer.info 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)

My man, If you need your tastes to be affirmed by some magical numbers, then I don't know what to tell you.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

It's not about affirmation, it's about feeling connected to some parts or the human race. Mostly people who are simular to ourselves. When you meet your friends, you probably discuss things you all like. Its universal.

We feel what we feel and we look for others to feel the same. Not affirm it, but to not feel alone in our feelings.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Upvoting this

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[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have a very simple system. If the movie was made for legitimate artistic reasons, then I think it was worth the effort to make it. If the movie was made to sell tickets, I don't bother.

I decide which artistry is legitimate.

[–] QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

understandable but like, aren't 99% of movies made to make a profit?

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Yes that's true but I have a pretty simple algorithm for movies that were "made to sell tickets"

  • franchise movies, especially if the story ended already
  • comic book movies
  • remakes
  • movies based on a property that doesn't translate well into movies(video games, certain kinds of books)
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[–] Dookieman12@piefed.social 12 points 1 month ago

See also: everyone driving slower than me is an idiot, everyone driving faster than me is an asshole.

[–] jsheradin@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Historically I never had the patience but I've watched a ton of movies over the past couple years (easily 300+) and initially I agreed with audience rating. Although I'm far from an insufferable cinephile and really don't care about underlying theory and whatnot, I definitely find myself agreeing more with critic rating now. Of course there's plenty of exceptions where I disagreed with both. Movies can be fun or awful for you regardless of what anyone else thinks.

That being said, I think Roger Ebert's reviews usually nail it. That man was a connoisseur of weird enjoyable movies and quick to call out corporate crap.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My partner and I walked out of The Odyssey after ten minutes and got a refund.

WAY too loud. Excruciatingly, painfully, unnecessarily loud. And yet I still had trouble hearing some of the dialogue. We were in an AMC Dolby theater, and I don't think I'll ever go to a Dolby branded theater like that again.

I'm not sure how to split the blame here between AMC, Dolby, or Christopher Nolan, but I'm mad at all three for the ringing in my ear that's still there several hours after we walked out.

Can't comment on the movie itself as we barely saw any of it. Might see it at a different theater but I'll be bringing earplugs just in case, though I may want a refund there too if it's still so loud as to require earplugs.

Nolan really not helping his reputation at being an outright sadist when it comes to sound.

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[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Disney movies like zootopia 2 are 100% but v for fucking vendetta is like 70? Wtf RT

Read the "professional reviews" and are like "my daughter liked it so 10/10"

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I love me some V for Vendetta, but Zootopia is also really good at what it is. It's meant to entertain children while also having some laughs for the parents, and Disney is really good at that shit.

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[–] kamee@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

I love Man of Steel, needed a bit better editing (because his conflict between helping humanity or not is undermined by pretty early on by helping those offshore workers) but otherwise I think it’s a pretty good movie.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

Things to do when bored: arguing about taste.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

RT lost its credibility a long time ago and IMDB just results in the bell curve effect where most things end up at 3.5/5 which is too accurate/condensed for most people.

You need to follow a couple or even just one film critic who makes quality reviews on their own if you want good information.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I watched it, did not care for it. To dark, there were so many points i could not see what was happening, WAY to loud, actually hurt my ears, and, i just did not enjoy it as an experience. Actors are all fine, but there were times where the writing felt clunky or out of place ngl.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago

My partner and I actually walked out after 10 or 15 minutes because it was so painfully loud. Asked for (and received) a refund.

Infuriating that I can't trust movie theaters to maintain reasonable volumes. I shouldn't have to bring earplugs to a movie.

[–] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Movies you haven't seen:

91% 89%

"this might be good, idk... nah, probably not."

[–] stark@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You forgot the “haha go woke go broke” and “fucking NPC” line. For some reason the people that take movie and game reviews too seriously are those right wing basement dwelling chuds

I saw it opening night! I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't call it amazing. Solid 8/10 and no complaints

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I have so little incentive to go to the movies these days that any negativity, deserved or not, is just enough.

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[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Odyssey trailers did not appeal to me much, so I'm confused by the praise it's getting, is it because it's actually good or normies just giving it 10/10 because it's a Nolan movie. I watched Oppenheimer in theater and realized I could have saved the cost of the ticket and watched it at home without losing much, how does this movie compare to that, I've liked most of Nolans other movies except Tenet

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[–] 4grams@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I never look at reviews, I just go in expecting to be disappointed and so usually am not. Even shitty movies are fun since I plan on them sucking..

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[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For me it's more, "I wonder why critics / audience disagree with me?" It's an interesting thing to think about.

I try not to expose myself to any social media surrounding a movie before I watch it. No reviews, no trailers, nothing. Then I compare my experience with others, and it's usually wildly different. It makes me wonder how much of a review is "inertia" from the environment surrounding the movie, rather than the movie itself?

As an example, I absolutely loved the film Chappie. I thought it was a great film, but the general population AND critics absolutely blasted it. I actually agreed with some of their points in the reviews, but overall I still like that movie a lot, and I still rate it 9/10.

If I'd seen the 30% rating beforehand, would I have even bothered watching the movie? Maybe not…

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[–] QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

cars 2 is the best one fight me

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I just don’t check reviews. I’m genuinely the fourth one, but all the time.

[–] Hamartia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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