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I know white authors have a habit of describing dark skin tones with food or beverages and I don't want to do that.

Cocoa, caramel, coffee, etc. I'm not much of a fiction writer but I am running a dnd campaign with POC and don't want to be a stereotype lol

Edit: various soil types is a promising contender added by my partner

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[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Follow the advice in this thread but then describe the white characters like this

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Comrade of mine in the campaign would catch this bit immediately (but also find it very funny)

[–] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

If its dnd cant you just make references to places within your world?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago
[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

oklch is the superior format.

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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ursula Le Guin described Ged as "copper-brown" in Earthsea

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Ursula Le Guin is the first person to look toward whenever you have a writing question. Absolutely goated

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Damn that one is actually perfect for one of my characters, thanks

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Metals are pretty metal

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[–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Looking up creatingblackcharacters on tumblr and their website. Their whole thing is about stuff like this.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

soil-triangle I bet there's a soil colour for every kind of human

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"His pert nipples were the color of sandy loam"

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

literally me frfr

[–] TheoryofChange@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

This might just be my new favorite emoji we have

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Lmao, one of my players is a geologist. This would be a very good one for him specifically

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just keep in mind that the same mineral can sometimes be a multitude of colors. For instance, gypsum can be clear, white, brown, orange, yellow, or green. Fluorite can be basically any color.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Good to know, I'd probably get called out for it if I messed it up lol

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like I saw something like this in a CRPG character creator, but I can't remember which game it was. Alabaster was one of the super pale anti-cracker-aktion colors.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i wanna say one of the recent(ish) divinity games did this?

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you're right - Original Sin 1 probably?

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

ooh I really like this going to steal this idea

[–] SwagliacciTheBadClown@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hahahaha holy shit this is an incredible crossover tony-cheer

“Their gleyed complexion indicated prolonged period without oxygen; I’d finally caught the autoerotic asphyxiation bandit” rust-darkness

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[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"He resembled one of the absolute gigachads who booted the French out of Haiti"

"He looks like he floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee"

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lowkey fire and might get used

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 1 week ago

I was thinking of sable, mink, etc, but I'm not sure that would be appreciated.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 week ago
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[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You can move the description away from the character and into their relationship with an environment or their attire.

"blended into/stood out from the pale walls of the room" or something like that.

Let's you kill 2 birds with one stone too

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

That's smart, I'll definitely make use of that

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nerissa's skin tone was somewhere in the valley between the two types of dark skin you tend to see in commercials—you know the kinds. I mean, go lighter than her, and you're talking about the sort of "presidential brown" type of actress you can imagine selling you a goddam toothbrush or menstrual pads or incontinence undies or something along those lines; the same type of skin that you might see in a very nicely-done photo shoot used by a college to tout its "modernity" and "diversity" without doing "too much." Or go darker than her, and you're talking about the sort of honest-to-God literally black woman where a monochrome image filter would not change her appearance an iota; the sort of skin you might find in the odd European fashion magazine here and there because it's oh-so "striking" and "against the norm" to depict clothes on skin so all-caps BLACK, in parentheses "(because such a fine Nilotic spezimen ist so exotisch.)" But our dear Nerissa was neither so comparatively light nor so absolutely dark: in the valley, as said, her skin tone was the sort of unremarkable dark-brown that especially on women in the USA tends not to lend itself to a career number of acting roles nor a career number of modeling jobs. But I guess not everybody can live up to their childhood dreams, anyways. "A shitty job is better than no job. C'est la vie," Nerissa would often say during the overtime late shifts, always with a grit of her teeth.

I dunno is that something

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[–] harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Well, the most famous dark skinned character in India is described as having the complexion of "the dark of rain clouds" (Krishna).

I recently heard about a site that is supposed to have a lot of good advice about this: https://writingwithcolor.com/

I have not actually read anything on it yet.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm going to be real with you I write a lot and I don't think I've written somebody's skin color into a visual description in like 10 years

even if I'm kind of on autopilot and I go for a simple word like "dark" I'm almost certainly backspacing and trying again

[–] MeetMeAtTheMovies@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My expectation is that if you don’t at least imply skin color some large percentage of readers will default to assuming all your characters are white. Default people and all that bullshit.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Swarthy men of the east" hours why-shouldnt-i

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I argued witj so many fucking supposed lord of the rings nerds when rings of power came out. Yeah the show sucks but it ain't cause of black elves or dwarves. Tolkien never ever said they werent or couldn't be. These same supposed purists are okay with Aragorn and Boromir having beards despite that being specifically said to not be the case in the books. The descendants of numenor cant grow facial hair, he wrote that.

He spilled a lot more ink on the easterlings and southerners than ehat made it to books as well. He was attempting to bridge the gap between the mythologies he was working off and what implications that can lead to. He died trying to figure out what the orcs were and was uncomfortable with hos prior works having them be more or less fully evil, lord of the rings itself humanizes orcs to an extent, it was a step in a good direction. This was cause he was catholic and figured all souls can be saved. He was at least aware of these issues and was trying to fix them but died before doing so.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Tolkien Beastiary was unfortunately published after JRR died. In that work, the "evil races" are said to be fallen "good races." So just like Gollum used to be a Hobbit, trolls used to be ents, orcs were elves, and goblins were dwarves. The bestiary explains these groups were tortured and sealed away in darkness, which turned them into monsters.

I've always considered this to be the most canonical answer as to what evil races are in LotR, along with Tolkien's notes about how we only see the military forces of Sauron. We don't see the civilian orcs and goblins living elsewhere.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Tolkien Bestiary is considered absolute garbage as a resource. I have a copy and it is. There isnt really any solid answer and we dont only see goblins as the military forces of sauron at all. That is explicit in the two towers when orcs from morder, isengard and Moria are in deep dispute over what to do with Merry and Pippin. The orcs from mordor wanna bring the Hobbits back to the nazgul.om the other side of the anduin that Legolas shot down, Saruman's Uruk Hai wanna bring them to Isengard and the Moria guya were just out for revenge and wanted proof of a few kills so they could go home. Their is also the orcs in the tower of Cirith Ungol talking about just fuckimg off into the mountains to just be normal bandits instead of being wrapped up in all this.

There are issues with how the creation myth written in Ainulindale works and your explanation as well. It just doesmt seem to be how the world works

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I guess that's fair, I just enjoy giving very detailed descriptions of how my characters look. Even with white characters I am giving detail on the level of paleness, whether they have more of a blueish or pinkish undertone, tanness, etc. Might be overdoing it but I think my players appreciate it.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"The veins in his flaccid, fish-belly thighs resembled a road map of the Great Loop of Dallasfortworthia"

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Im so glad I can draw. I just draw them

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[–] mrfugu@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

If we’re talking D&D you could use equipment as a comparison (i.e. leather, hide, burlap, copper, bronze, wood).

I know being descriptive and painting a compelling picture is part of good writing but I can’t help but feel skin tone is usually irrelevant. But this is coming from the guy who didn’t mention the race of his partner to his therapist for almost two years and only did so because I was talking about thanksgiving with his family.

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