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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Woke radical leftists ruined the sanctity of gayness?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This is the same kind of manosphere twitterbro circlejerk logic that brought us this

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 21 hours ago

I feel like my brain is being nerfed every day.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

I think this man should learn that even looking through gay porn you can sort by categories.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tales of Times Forgotten: Just How Gay Were the Ancient Greeks Really?

The gist of it is

  • Ancient Greek gender identity was more of a "scale" of manliness
  • Sexuality was not an identity but a phase
  • The roles of penetrator and penetrated were split along the division of adult male and anyone else
  • An adult man receiving another was taboo
  • Young adult men were expected to court an adolescent lover
  • Adolescent men were to make them work for it (but also ultimately accept their role)
  • Full adults (late twenties) were to take a wife (usually adolescent girls) and stop pursuing boys

Also noteworthy is that preadolescents were off-limits. "Technically, it's ephebophilia" doesn't make it less fucked up, but it's also a distinction I suspect some of the "it was normal in Ancient Greece" chuds to overlook. Paedophilia wasn't acceptable back then either.

Men who courted other adult men were indeed seen as effeminate though. The post got that part right. But so were adults that failed to move on from their half-man phase of courting boys. I suspect those chuds miss that as well.

All in all, Ancient Greek ideas of sexuality don't neatly map onto modern ones, and they sure weren't progressive.

Look, I'm against age verification for privacy/democracy purposes. But like, can we have a dialogue pop up that asks whether or not we're ready for this kind of nonsense in our day?

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why the fuck do people give that many fucks over how other people fuck? What does it matter?

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Because some ancient sex manuals written by ancient goat herders said that gay sex is gross, but it also said love thy neighbor, and none of the peasants at that time had the wherewithal to think "hey maybe only one of those things actually makes sense"

Edit: I'm not giving the peasants enough credit - a bunch of them probably did have the wherewithal, but the people in power murdered them for questioning the ancient sex manual, so that stopped that pretty quick

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah, the ancients didn't give a fuck. Greek, Roman, Egyptian... Love is love and sex is sex

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm talking different ancients - the Judeans, Samaritans, Palestinians, etc

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shouldn't have let them write the books. Single God was an error.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And it's fucked how if you explore more than one religion, faith or spiritual practice you're considered a heretic.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because they're also gay but can't accept it

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Yep, my heart goes out to @nomad understanding his feelings some day.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sometimes it's "reaction formation". They like a thing. That makes them uncomfortable. They instead go hard in the other direction - they hate the thing it's horrible and bad and the worst.

Sometimes they're just... basic, and need the world to fit into simple boxes. Anything else stresses their brain.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Yeah it's something you see around when you start looking for it. It's such an unhappy but easy means to preserve ego

[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Amen to this! Let people be, let people fuck what ever they want.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

*In some sensible guardrails, let's exclude kids and maybe dead people, animals and such, you know. But as long as there's consent, I don't give a fuck.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Captain Jack Harkness? Good example.

If I were the Face of Bo, I wouldn't bother with strange ideas of heterosexuality as well.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago

too bad the JACK BARROWMEN wasnt acting, lol. he was a pervert too, which is why he been cancelled from being in doctor who from then on.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hey now, the ancients were ped erasts, not ped ophiles. The fancy term makes it okay!

(Just don't point out that the difference is that pederasty means same-sex pedophilia. Or do! I wonder how they'd react.)

[–] lyralycan@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

How is there another nuanced difference in terminology for sexual attraction to children

[–] bitwise@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Wait until you see the new PR hotness that is MAP (Minor Attracted Person)

🤢

[–] Laser@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago

Eight-year-olds, dude.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Because that one is mainly used by historians, not pedos trying to move the goalposts so they can pretend they aren't one.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's it called when a man loves an 600-year-old dragon in the body of an 8-year-old?

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

loli, which is just more pedophilia

[–] lyralycan@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The other day I saw Moe referenced not in an animé context and was like 😬 - as a fan of animé and similar styled art I know moe as an alt term for lolicore.

[–] 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They made homosex woke. Enough said

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Ruined the gay sex for the rest of us. Smdh

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Hell yah brother noting gay about pounding another dude as long as that dude is super masculine.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 17 points 1 day ago (8 children)

They must be thinking about Hollywood’s depiction of exaggerated “manly” Spartan homosexuality. They just want to LARP 300 so bad, you guys.

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The ancient Greek hate when you feminize the little boys they rape, everyone knows this.

[–] Remy@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What does he means with "ancient homosexuality" vs "feminized homosexuality" ? And then why he even cares about it?

[–] unrealMinotaur@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is actually a pretty big gap between ancient and modern ideas of male on male intercourse. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you get the chance.

[–] RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

I'd rather go down a man hole given the conversation we're currently having.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All tops in ancient Greece. That's how wrestling started.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

We must return to Gachimuchi

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't the Greeks and Roman's have a lot of stereotypical butt jokes made about them?

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why does Romans get an apostrophe but not Greeks and jokes?

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Because autocorrect and laziness.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Also:

####s: plural form

####'s: expresses owner

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

I have a gay friend, that mf jumpscared our GC so many time with photos on instagram of gay man that are more manly than nomad1941_001-35m

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