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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 8 minutes ago

No, there's not.

There's many of them, and they are all rich and trying to stab each other's backs to get more power and money.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Conspiracy theories are controlled opposition.

Tell people to be mad at a made up shadow cabinet of rich lizard people who run the world in secret so they won't be mad at the actual, real, existing cabinet of rich human people who run the world out in the open.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I thought only the queen of England, John English, and PDQ Bach's estate had that kind of wealth. I wish I was right

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

The retreat is scheduled for August 12–16 at a venue near Dublin, Ireland.

The original version of the source article identified the location as the Powerscourt Hotel; in an act of journalistic cowardice (to be expected from a Condé Nast Publication) Wired later edited their article to remove that detail "to address a security concern raised by a Dialog representative".

Esquire is unsurprisingly sticking with Wired's "near Dublin" description of the location, but fortunately it looks like some Irish media outlets (eg this and this) are reporting where it actually is so hopefully there will be some local opposition present.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 24 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

More accurate to say "several overlapping cabals trying to expand their own fifedoms"

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 minutes ago

No no, those are fife drums

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 12 points 12 hours ago

Other talks include “Build-a-Cult,” moderated by the founder of the Christian networking site Pray.com

I mean, we all know what these people are about but I'm just taken back by the brazenness and openness of all of it.

This is basically "Yes, I made a cult to become a billionaire with a following, what about you?" and somehow nobody bats an eye? That is, of course, nobody that could do something about this.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Escape13@slrpnk.net 8 points 11 hours ago

And compost them too!

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

“As you are probably aware I represent the Rothschild’s” -Jeffery Epstein in email to Peter Thiel

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I almost wonder if Rogan is a useful idiot, if someone running his show is the elite crazy or at least wannabe elite.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 13 hours ago

No need to wonder, it's been obvious for years now.

Being a useful idiot doesn't require the person being aware of their idiotic usefulness. Usually they aren't.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 13 hours ago

I think Rogan believes he's in charge though. He talks like he's making his own decisions.

Undoubtedly he's being manipulated but yeah at the very least he's a useful idiot.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

Yes, and that someone is largely believed to be Thiel.

[–] Bo7a@piefed.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

This shit never changes.

And this is good old Boston, The home of the bean and the cod, Where the Lowells talk only to the Cabots, And the Cabots talk only to God

  • John Bossidy, 1910.
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 11 hours ago

Having a lot of money doesn't make you immune to grifters, bullshit, facebook cooker theories or just plain going nuts.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 96 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

I think it's important to understand, these people believe that they already control the world. From their perspective, they aren't "trying", they're doing. And they believe they have the right to do so. They believe that having wealth makes them more important and more capable than everyone else, even though the reality is often that having wealth separates them from having to actually do anything for themselves, making them less capable and less experienced than everyone else.

The rest of us, our needs, our concerns, our desires, our lives... none of that matters to them, except when it either enables or impedes getting what they want.

The only thing preventing the entire world from being stuck in complete, abject despotism is that these people are often at each other's throats. When they collude, everything they touch turns to garbage.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine fighting a long war where one side knows they are fighting the war, and a vast majority of the other side thinks they are trying to help them.

There's no war other than class war. We've been fighting it for centuries. Remember that.

Right but there are people amongst us poor who threw their lot in with the wealthy years ago. They're as much the enemy because they would fight on the side of wealth.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 18 points 21 hours ago

The only thing preventing the entire world from being stuck in complete, abject despotism is that these people are often at each other's throats. When they collude, everything they touch turns to garbage.

That's the hope. I'm sure there are a handful of billionaires who are decent enough people, tech co-founders who didn't get all weird about the tech money. But the other 98% are legit sociopaths. They can't co-exist for long, they're all secretly undercutting each other. It's in their nature.

One possible future is letting the dragons fight it out, and picking off the stragglers. Fingers crossed 🤞

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

i think the oligarchs do defacto control a significant chunk of the world and they are trying to exercise that control to enact their deranged ai-hallucination-like version of reality that their confirmation broken brains think should be done

thankfully they do not share these visions with eachother commonly and nation states are slowly making laws to prevent them abusing the global financial system

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

Being insulated from reality and surrounded by sycophants causes literal brain damage.

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[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 56 points 20 hours ago (19 children)

This is the reason why I always get way to mad at conspiracy theorists. You don't have to make up some shadowy cabal or the jews, be mad at the wealthy oligarchs.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 29 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

One theory I heard: Crazy conspiracy theories were created by the government to make legitimate conspiracy theories look ridiculous by association. "Oh, you think there's an island of pedophile billionaires running the world? I bet you also think the moon landing was fake." A classic "the butts match" gambit.

[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

smoke screen

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I don't think it is planed like the conspiracy theories are created but ampliefed to distroy the public trust and muddy the waters, I don't think that is too far fetched.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago

Which is why Alex Jones was a CIA asset whether he knew it or not

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 points 14 hours ago

Thats level one feury. Level 2 is when they tell you a well known asshole billionaire is going to fight the shadow cabal for us.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

How many of them have been on Rogan?'

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Has he had on Timothy Mellon, the second largest political contributor after Elon Musk in the last election cycle? Has he had on the Uihleins or the Adelsons?

Only a small subset of the people making huge political donations want publicity, and only an even smaller subset of those are interesting enough that Joe Rogan would do a podcast with them.

Don't think that most of them are interesting in a macabre way like Thiel or Musk. Most are old, crotchety assholes who inherited vast fortunes who aren't interesting, don't seek publicity, and just want to remake the world without pesky democracy interfering.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

A lot of the griftiest sorts have to make public appearances to sell their poison pills (such as elon's meme stock.) So them also being on rogan says they are particularly scammy.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Who hasn't? Simpler that way. Someone showed up with money at Joe's, 2012 if I had to bet.

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

And yet when people tried to point this out earlier, they were called conspiracy theorists. There are false conspiracy theories and true conspiracy theories. That's just how theories work. The ones that espouse true theories are then denigrated for seeing things faster than you.

This is why labeling something a conspiracy theory is not a useful way to dismiss an idea. The dismissal is only right half the time. And the other half you are missing something important, or refusing to believe something without looking into it. Instead, more correct is to critically assess what is true and false and not what is a conspiracy theory and not a conspiracy theory. It's more work but it's also more correct.

Who prefers the term "conspiracy theory" to be a shortcut for claiming an idea is false? A: People involved in actual conspiracies.

Also, people who use that pattern to claim something is false just generally struggle with English. Conspiracy != Conspiracy theory != False. But a common trope of a useful idiot is to claim something is false because it's just a conspiracy. And a shocking number of people take that argument seriously. Despite the fact that this person can hardly differencial aspects in the English language, much less develop useful anticipation of how the powerful will strategize, or worse, comprehensively determine without evidence what is not possible there.

If you discuss an idea of what powerful people will do, you are technically engaging with conspiracy theory. And we can't be having any of that!

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Its also worthy of note that you need not refer to them as conspiracy theories if they are openly discussed by the conspirators and/or there is direct record of them happening or having happened. They're just conspiracies then.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Easy fix, just don't talk about what you know to random people. :)

It's like trying to sell icecream to people who hate icecream. Also, I certainly didnt learn about these things from someones comment on the internet. It was just watching world events like 9/11 and not being a complete moron believing the official story. :)

Then I got interested, found lots of good documentaries. YouTube used to be full of very good ones before they deleted them. I was very interested in that stuff.

Now the world is very different and people are seeing evil openly in the white house even. But it was very different back then.

[–] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 35 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Why yes they’re called ‘billionaires’ and there’s like 3.5 thousand of them.

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[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago

yes... trying...

[–] Shameless@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Whilst this was always obvious and is not at all surprising, it's definitely worth reviewing the list which someone took the time to compile: https://github.com/nzaki-dev/dialog

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Cory Booker, Ezra Klein, and Reid Hoffman aren’t people I generally consider evil. I wonder if we can get them to say something about this whole affair and what goes on there.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

There Really ARE Cabals of Elite Crazies Trying to Control the World
It's more than this one.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What's next? 'Actually, the sky is blue'

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 12 points 20 hours ago

🤷 New people get born every day. Gotta restate the obvious from time to time, make sure everyone is caught up.

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