Good job Microsoft!
Meanwhile, in the few cases I need Excel, I just install Office 2013 in Wine. ~~Dunno if any later version works correctly, don't even really care tbh~~
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That's a quality headline rewrite.
Probably the most easiest software to replace: LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, Collabora...
while I'm generally in support of paying for the product you get value from, this just goes to show that you should never purchase a Microsoft license. ever. they do not respect you, their agreement with you, or basic ethics. do not feel bad about pirating Microsoft products.
but even better, just use something else.
Yup. Libreoffice is epic af.
But 90% of my Excel usage is data transformation using VBA...
Time to learn python or javascript. You will learn a real language and get away from a Microsoft product.
I wouldn't even want to pirate it. I like LibreOffice a lot better.
I do some work for an org that is MS office centric. They provide me with an office license, and space in one drive. I essentially use office to check final output to share with them, but do the actual work in LO. The only thing that goes in onedrive is their stuff.
Honestly, excel is such overkill for the average user. Loding a csv in calc would probably be good enough for the majority.
I was actually taught how to use spreadsheets in Microsoft Works. Which was the cheaper home alternative to the Office suite, that was good enough to run a small business out of.
The usual lot says Excel is better. Haven't found a difference yet.
I used excel daily in a corporate environment for the last 10 years of my working life lots of VBA etc. I was the person people came to for excel help. I'm now retired and treasurer for a small non-profit and I use LibreOffice. It's good, but not as good. My needs are pretty basic now, so I'm not pushing the capabilities, but my main gripe for now is formatting pivot tables.
Your needs are pretty basic? Heh, pretty Visual BASIC!?
VISUAL BASIC FOR APPLICATIONS!?!
I understand for home use calc, especially, works just fine, but I have to deal with editing excel files at work daily... I can't even run VBA's. And if I save the file in calc it gets messed up.
The issue is the same as always, that some guy used excel first, and now I have to use it too otherwise I need to redo the entire excel file. I can't be bothered.
It's by design.
Calc will do nearly everything Exel will: but MS wants to lock people into their ecosystem.
Yea I know, obviously
The company I work for pays horrors for the full MS suite. That alone should be enough to force some thinking.
But I digress.
I'm not a desk jokey but I have to fill a sheet daily and occasionally a few other documents. I only use LibreOffice.
When I first received the models, they were filled with errors and bad formatting. And printing the sheet always put out shrunk versions of the document, hard to read. I got printed copies along with the digital files, "in case I couldn't open the files".
My spreadsheet jailbroke the document, allowing me to rectify the errors and the prints come out using the entire sheet, with better end results than the official version.
Someone, very well paid, is wasting a lot of money.
What's most interesting and baffling to me is that most people think libreoffice "breaks" things. But so far, every time I looked into it, libreoffice "breaking something" usually flows like this:
- Excel implements some functionality in non-standard ways.
- Calc / libreoffice goes to apply the functionality using the correct, standard way.
- Sheet is now "broken", aka not with the expected data.
- I get yelled at for having dared to use Calc to copy paste some data in a file without even touching scrips or pivot tables or whatever the hell.
Every. Single. Fucking time.
I got to a point where I tell them to wank off if they ask me to do something and I don't have easy access to Windows.
"implementing things in non-standard ways", have been their modus operandi for about 3 decades now
Yeah, LO equivalent is to use python inside calc but you can use python outside of Excel just as easily so there's no reason for people to switch from what they currently have.
that's like saying you can ise visual basic outside of excel, so there's no point in using it in excel
If you're already completely set up in Excel, there's no reason to switch.
If you're set up in LO using visual basic outside of it then that would also mean there's no reason to switch. Either way it doesn't translate to the other.
Thanks for spelling-out the stupid for me. My brain was hung-up on the correct way to un-fuck logic I would rather not understand, for a moment. "Too stupid for words" came to mind, and the phrase just sorta ... hung out, wasting time.
Disclaimer: I wrote "idiot" to describe someone who paid for the product not because they're actually idiots, but it's because Microsoft is treating them like that: their official solution on the website is "simply subscribe to the latest and greatest or buy a new "perpetual" license to office 2024 to continue using what you paid for"
Nah I think you summed it up pretty well. People who bought an overpriced machine, and then decided they'd run overpriced software on it. Two companies I wouldn't touch with a galaxy sized pole. If they didn't learn anything from them before this, they will be as described.
Where do you buy a galaxy sized pole?
Costco
Hows about you don’t even worry about pirating it and just move to opensource?
I’m far from a spreadsheet super user, but Excel really is in a class by itself. The rest of the office suite, however, is easily replaced by open source.
As someone who uses Excel on a daily basis: Excel is a bloated, unstable, bug-ridden pile of crap
Indeed a class of its own, at least since the fall of Lotus.
Try LibreOffice calc.
I think Word is harder to replace because formatting issues assuming documents are in word format
Sorry, but no. It's awful. Tried it out when I was doing my taxes. Basic shit is just hidden and convoluted it just not possible.
I use Calc, and it does just fine for my use case. But I know people in finance whose work relies on the powerful advanced features excel has and LO just doesn’t yet.
Funny enough, I haven’t touched a word processor or slide deck program in years.
Use PDF instead of Word format.
These are Mac users we're talking about here - they're terrified of anything not produced by a corpo.
This is a common stereotype but there is a reasonably sized group of Linux enthusiasts who work on macs.
Macos is a real unix based OS. (As opposed to unix compatible GNU “Gnu is Not Unix”) and they claim the performance (apples own chips), even in a vm is amazing.
I had at least one coworker who did this, i also remember Emily Young (Who some remember as Anthony from Ltt) also had quite a few apple products in her house.
Macos is a real unix based OS. (As opposed to unix compatible GNU “Gnu is Not Unix”)
I've seen so many people say this over the years, and I'm still not sure why i should give a flying fuck. Additionally, when I worked on low level cross platform software, macos was the one that was missing posix functionally I had to replace by writing shims in objective c
Supposedly freedom loving open source folk are as susceptible to flashy marketing surrounding Apple's shiny new thing as any other consumer. I remember how infuriated I got when I saw the Asahi project. Years upon years of hardwork only to get an operating system, which already runs on computers 99% of the userbace relies on, to run on Apple's fancy new laptop on the bloc, just because. There so no real benefit to actually do it, be we do it still!
When Asahi started, the M1 chips were so good they might as well have been the only ARM-based-that-can-run-x86/x64-code-CPUs in-town. Last I checked, the M-series were still consistetly near the top of the stack of such chips, and look even better when you account for price.
Your argument works even better versus the Snapdragon X, but that's Microsoft's current fav, so ... ?
As someone who lives and works in Silicon Valley, the amount of coworkers and colleagues in my experience in engineering using non-default MacOS configurations is nonexistent. There are things like Asahi Linux (which is an amazing project, don't get me wrong), but let's not pretend that the people who use open source software on MacOS are not fractions of a percent compared to the general userbase.
In fact, my experience working in IT professionally and assisting friends and family personally has only underscored that view - those who were actually using Linux and FOSS software professionally were not on Apple hardware (and knew what went wrong and what assistance was needed). Those who I had to assist with Apple hardware... were different strains of "technically inept" who managed to break their experiences despite using default settings (kind of impressive I suppose).
