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The Matrix (feddit.dk)

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 hours ago

Neo decides that uncomfortable knowledge is better than blissful ignorance. I think most adults have had experiences where they wish they could go back to being less informed about the cruelty and brutality of the world and just live in ignorance, but most people don't get that choice.

Morpheus asks Neo if he wants to live in blissful ignorance (the way Cypher eventually decides to do) or if he wants to deal with the uncomfortable reality. Part of being a computer hacker is that quest for knowledge for no real gain despite the risks.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

...Did Neo have an active social life? Admittedly I haven't seen the movie in forever, but IIRC he didn't have much going on other than work and being a hacker.

[–] rnkn@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

He followed the white rabbit so he could stand in the corner of a rave.

[–] maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 55 minutes ago

And then speaks to one girl and promptly falls in love with her.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Well, it definitely would have been easier to build an active social life than to take the red pill.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 18 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

So, as Cypher made clear, the main draw of the matrix was that he didn't have to spend his entire life being miserable, with shit to eat, and nothing enjoyable to do. Soo... What about the constructs? If they could simulate people and sensory input with enough fidelity to "learn kungfu", couldn't they simulate the experience of a juicy steak? Why, when they weren't actually spending their time outside the matrix doing much other than sitting in a spaceship, wouldn't they just spend 6 hours a day in the construct (again, not the matrix, their own simulated construct)? Wouldn't that have given them all much more practice with breaking the construct of the matrix, and also let them have the nice stuff that the matrix offered, and also knowing that they were the masters of their own destinies? It seems like Morpheus was just a shitty manager, and Cypher was unfulfilled in his job.

[–] BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Cypher explicitly states he doesn't want to remember ANYTHING.

Going into a construct doesn't remove your memories, so he KNOWS it's all fake, which means it doesn't carry any weight or meaning to it all.

Having his memory wiped is the only way.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

A great point, but I wonder if it would have reached that point if cypher had been given relaxation time and good experiences in the construct.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Personally, I wouldn't give AF if it was "fake". Fake is perspective.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm an anarcho-antirealist. I believe reality is a perceptual construct, and I practice mental techniques to change My beliefs and perceptions in order to reconstruct My perceptual unreality into something more fair and just.

I still like a nice yummy meal. No steaks though, I'm vegan.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Here's a question: if you know the steak isn't real, having copied only your memory of it from the matrix, but you know that the original had to have been based on the experience of killing a real animal, is the nonexistent steak vegan? What if all cows are already extinct, like in the world of the Matrix?

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

That's actually not a hypothetical. Dragon's Dogma 2 has incredibly realistic cooking because the artists studied the way meat cooks in excruciating depth. That's why I won't buy Dragon's Dogma 2. I don't want to support that.

If the Machines say that the killing was a one-off and I have no reason to think that cows will be killed in the future, I'll have a virtual steak.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 38 minutes ago

A very well - reasoned answer, thank you!

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

If it was completely fake, then yeah I guess it would be vegan. But that doesn't mean a vegan would still want a fake "real" steak. Not ask vegans want that taste and also in this hypothetical may also not want to be reminded of the shit that had to go down for real steaks.

Also vegan and I use arch, btw.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 56 minutes ago

Thanks. Good point!

I'm just a peon on mint.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago

Mouse figured that out but Switch was a wet blanket.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 20 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I remember his office from the movie. It was not comfy.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 24 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

He had his own cubicle. Better than any of the "open plan" offices I spent years working in.

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 9 points 14 hours ago

I’ve worked in open plan offices my entire 20 year career and I yearn for the cheap fabric covered mines.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago

That's the fun part, in that time, cubicles were seen as terrible, dystopian, cheapass things because folks used to have offices, and how much cheaper could it really get than some flimsy modular furniture for you to sit at?

Then the companies gestured to just some tables in a room and said "figure it out, and no assigned seating, so just figure it out each day" to show how cheap and how little regard they have for the employees.

At this rate, I fully expect in the next few years for the next wave in office space optimization:

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

[–] rnkn@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

To be fair he doesn’t even have his monitor on.

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 39 points 22 hours ago

[–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You mean choosing whether to live with purpose or just continue to exist?

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You have never dated a punk. You have never been in love with anyone adapted to poverty who had any sense of adventure.

[–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 14 hours ago

You're an odd morpheus.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 day ago

yeah I mean that was one of the themes explored in the film

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Id rather stay in the matrix and pretend I'm eating steak, thank you very much.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 6 hours ago

I'd rather have Neo's powers and be able to dream up a better world for Myself and My loved ones.

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