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[–] regul@hexbear.net 47 points 4 days ago (2 children)

California does the same in the central valley.

Almonds too.

The whole central valley is sinking at an alarming rate because of how quickly the aquifer is being depleted. No California politician is brave enough to do anything to take on the massive agribusiness using all this water irresponsibly because these companies run a lot of the state's politics and also they're afraid of the "ancient water rights" dating back to Spanish colonial water rights.

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

The water was promised to them 3000 years ago

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah I know I live here. It fuckin sucks.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

Mashallah I no longer live in the great Satan's great Satan.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm just hydroponic-brained but I feel like they could grow way more and use fewer resources (water, space) with elevated/multi-story structures and better irrigation.

[–] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This article in question is atrocious, and think hydro has its places, but the whole "vertical farming" feels like hopium on par with "lab grown meat" seeing how much energy it requires to just run the grow lights. Of course not all crops have the same DLI requirements, but for reference the Sun gives about 1000w/m² around the equator. So assuming you have to match that to some degree (a solar panel gives you 20-30% of that per m² before other losses. So we're talking like 5m² solar panels for every 1m² inside the farm) and then you need to remove all the excess heat from the building. So basically a server farm giving you low caloric density crops like salad, berries or mircro-greens with a heavy upstart-cost. And you still need fertilizer and PH buffers and water sterilization and plastic packaging and seedling plugs etc.

I think a simpler solution, and one we already have the technology and infrastructure for, would be to stop feeding soy to animals and just make tofu-cool

Those "pontoon conveyor belt" hydro greenhouses are really cool tho.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

For indoor farms ultimately it comes down to electricity cost. If you're in an area that uses fossil fuels for electricity production then it is prohibitively expensive, but if you have cheap hydro power for example it's much more economical.

That said, just using the image above as a reference, they could absolutely utilise the natural sun lighting while being much more space efficient and grow vertically. You are correct that the up-front costs of hyrdoponic systems are high, but over time they use substantially less water and plants grow way faster and more efficiently.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Has no one read Catch-22? just pay them not to grow the alfalfa, the more they don't grow the more you pay them, simple

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

sounds like arizona needs a few luigis

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

We could probably make due with one Stalin

[–] agentant@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

These farmers are disgusting, don't they know we need that water for ~~Drinking for all the people in Arizona so we don't have a fucking drought where people die~~ Data Centers?

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 13 points 4 days ago

You know, these things are just sitting there, in the middle of the desert, by themselves most of the time. It really is extremely dry and hot here.

[–] MOCVD@mander.xyz 13 points 4 days ago

The Saudis only know how to grow in the desert, duh

[–] GrafZahl@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

What is the actual value of that water?

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So, socialist alfalfa! Keep it coming Arizona!

/s obviously

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

why alfalfa instead of literally anything else

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's an export to Saudi Arabia IIRC. It's basically a matter of agribusiness exploiting water rights laws intended to support yeoman farmers over a century ago to cheaply grow a shitty cash crop for export as IIRC horse and camel feed. They get to use functionally unlimited water for nothing/next to nothing and the state can't stop them or even force them to pay its actual value (which would make the whole thing nonviable).

Wow! That's really dumb!

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Livestock feed to feed the livestock that also should not be raised in a fucking desert (or at all for that matter) because there is no grazing land.

[–] Krem@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

carnism and its consequences

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why not just feed them the soybeans china won't buy

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

And have the cows go beta and woke?! frothingfash